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Old 02-11-2020, 11:05 PM
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So, there is the bug out bag, the get home bag, and all sorts of variations in the middle.

For me, when it all falls away, and control is lost, I think first aid becomes a larger percentage of self protection than we all are considering.

What balance point do you think first aid will be for you?
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Old 02-11-2020, 11:17 PM
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What?

First aid gets used when it's needed.
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Are you talking band aids and aspirin or chest seals and blow out kits?
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I think regular EDC, mabye a GHB & an INCH bag is where most other stuff falls in between. I EDC a small first aid kit, but have a larger one in my vehicles. I would consider a firearm or some type of weapon at least is more important for self preservation. Medical supplies are if either you're self preservation fell short or you have an accident of some type.

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When the SHTF I think many people won't be able to handle it so Valium might be a good thing to have plenty of. Be a good trade item if you don't need it yourself.
Apparently it's also good to take if you think you might need to use Viagra.
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I don't understand the question.

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I think that when this all goes wrong, there are going to be people displaced. Moving. Not everyone is going to have the ability to dig in and go forward at their homes.

Like us, we have a house in the woods. But, over the course of rebuilding, and protecting the life we save, kids are going to fall down, people are going to get staph infections, we are going to have to travel on foot and on bikes, and someone might get shot.

I see EMT level first aid as a core skill for the future.
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I've been an EMT for 14 years. I consider it a low priority survival skill.

95% of my patients would either die in a matter of hours or days without a hospital...

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...would get better on their own with just basic food water and shelter.

The EMT is an extension of the hospital and 911 system. Very little of what we do can truly change the outcome of an illness or injury without a hospital to take a patient to.

I've saved a fair number of people...but when I say saved, I mean I kept them alive for an hour and got them to a hospital where they often received hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of care and spent weeks under the care of nurses and doctors.

I think my mechanical and logistical skills will be much more important.
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Sometimes, clear airways, stop the bleeding & try to prevent shock is all you can do.
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Aerindel,

Thank you. I think that there is something to be said for what your position is. I understand that the EMT is a part of a larger chain. I am not looking to handle V Tach or something like that.

I think that if we look at the catalog of skills that we should have if this all goes sideways, extensive first aid training is up there. I use the idea of EMT training as a sort of catch all for that.
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It's already going sideways. First Aid skills aren't likely to have any impact on your chances with the chicom flu.
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Aerindel,

Thank you. I think that there is something to be said for what your position is. I understand that the EMT is a part of a larger chain. I am not looking to handle V Tach or something like that.

I think that if we look at the catalog of skills that we should have if this all goes sideways, extensive first aid training is up there. I use the idea of EMT training as a sort of catch all for that.
EMT training is a very useful, comprehensive tool for staying alive in the current world.

I'm simply not sure how much would apply to SHTF vs first aide training. First aide is about 1/10th of what an EMT knows, but most of those extra skills are for stuff that will not get better without a hospital and pharmacy.

It is really good however if you become an EMT with a service at getting you experience with the micro-shtf stuff that happens everyday. If you are an EMT for a while you will never wonder if could handle stuff like gunshot wounds etc. You will know first hand what its like to deal stuff like that.
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When I've had hurricanes that took my power for days, one hurricane took my water... when a pipe broke in my attic, flooding my house... I didn't need any first aid.

I needed power stations, I needed batteries and flashlights. I needed a mediation crew with lots of equipment, I needed all my stuff in plastic boxes which I had done... I needed awesome insurance which I have...

My last crisis cost over $20K and I didn't use a single bandage.
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The gear I cary is not necessarily for my self, under normal circumstances. Many of the things I cary are for the person I take care of.
As a rule I consider the distance from home and the effort it will take to get there and pack accordingly.
Having torn the ligament in my knee I have to reassess the things I use to be capable of. I don't wander far from home much any more.
Most every one believes them self to be in there present condition while packing, I recommend putting a rock in your shoe and see how far you can walk.
Life is not fair, and all it takes is some unusual event that alters one's lifestyle and this is when accidents happen.
I have been through earth quakes that destroyed homes, most fireplaces went down and the fortunate thing was it was summer time so sleeping out side was not a big issue, but had it been winter the whole event would have been significantly more tragic.
Obviously one cannot cary a pharmacy or an ER, but skills making do can make a difference.
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What Aerindel said

I've been a volley EMT for decades. Should things go all the way downhill, there will be a more severe limit to where the cutoff point will be for the practical use immediate first aid skills that will lead to positive outcomes. That is, right now, our goal is really to stabilize as best as possible and get to real definitive care ASAP. Now, for wilderness medicine, or otherwise delayed transport, things may differ a bit.

So, in terms of balance, I'd say you don't even need EMT level, which... quite candidly, isn't really all that different from good basic first aid. A lot of the differences these days have to do with ability to legally administer some drugs, and a few other tidbits.

In terms of your context of EDC, GHB, etc. then, there's only so much room in some kind of EDC mini-case anyway. So moving on to larger bags... Beyond personal meds, there's only a few small pieces of kit that will make sense and fit easily into something like a GHB without taking up undue space for their low probability need. For me, that's a few basic dressings, (like a couple of 4x4s, a 5x9, maybe a quick clot package if you can swing it, a tourniquet, a SAM split, several triangular bandages, (which can be made into slings/swaths), some steri-strips, and that's really it. With these tools, you can do a lot of practical things. (Basic bleeding control and splinting.) If you need beyond that, there's really not much in a practical kit - my opinion anyway - that's going to help. You need the rest of the room for some food items, water and purification, etc. etc.
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