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Old 10-21-2019, 11:25 PM
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This board is filled with cops and military with downrange time.

You picked the wrong forum to try to talk smack in.

300 yard shot? Give me an AR and preteen girl and I'll have her hitting upper torso shots all day long by the second day.

An AR is a laser beam at that range. If you can't hit at 300yds then it is an operator flaw.
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. Now how many people can hit a target at 400 yards? .
Why do all the non Marines consider this difficult?
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I think most of us here own a 22 lr and are aware of its positives and negatives. there is always a troll or arm chair warrior who thinks it is better than it is. i look at 22 lr as a fine 50 yd weapon. I can be pressed to do more but why? 22 mag or hornet will add another 50 yards to that projectile size and make a fine varment/small game round in the 50 to 100 yd range. The 223 wins up to 400 yards. Now how many people can hit a target at 400 yards? Maybe we should spend less time beating the nubie or letting the troll controls us and spend time on more important things. I'd like to see some facts and opinions on Barnes copper vrs Hornaday gilding metal projectiles.
NOT BEING difficult.. BUT if 400yds is your benchmark for max range, then I would suggest that you spend more time working on the lengthening of your skills. with a good M1A 400yds is iron sights range.

as for the .22lr being the ultimate...
All we need do is look back on internet history from the wisest of sages when the hallowed and fabled GUNKID pronounced that the ULTIMATE fighting and survival rifle and round is an AR with a .22 conversion unit and a home made can. What more could you say to that????
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I don't understand why people want to make fun of newbie. These forums should be a place where newbies should be able to ask questions without ridicule...
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I totally made a typo in saying 100-300M. I really meant 100-300Y.

However... even at 300 yards, is 5.56 THAT much more effective than a 22LR?
The poster is either:

a) A troll.

b) A moron.

c) A person whom has never read about firearms, talked with anyone about firearms, nor used firearms.

Which one do YOU think?
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22LR is not something you get to the exclusion of all else, it's what you get along with everything else

While any gun is better than no gun, 22LR is not a fighting caliber. Why put yourself at a disadvantage?
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22LR is not something you get to the exclusion of all else, it's what you get along with everything else

While any gun is better than no gun, 22LR is not a fighting caliber. Why put yourself at a disadvantage?
You are correct. Except for being a child's first gun the main advantage of a .22 is with a suppressor no one need know you even shot it. In this day and age there is something to be said for that.
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A SINGLE shot, unless it throws up dust or smokes at the muzzle of the gun is almost impossible to locate when not expecting that first round. You might be able to pin it down to a 60 degree arc, but that covers a lot of ground.

BUt it definitely announces that someone is in the neighborhood.
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A SINGLE shot, unless it throws up dust or smokes at the muzzle of the gun is almost impossible to locate when not expecting that first round. You might be able to pin it down to a 60 degree arc, but that covers a lot of ground.

BUt it definitely announces that someone is in the neighborhood.
I have no experience, but I've been told it makes it harder to locate the source and guess the distance even for calibers it does not effectively silence. If it weren't for the tax and expense of most suppressors, and if they made some that were easy to clean by hand and could stand up to a lot of shooting before needing to be cleaned, i'd have one on every rifle
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This is why this poster is being ridiculed:



The poster is either:

a) A troll.

b) A moron.

c) A person whom has never read about firearms, talked with anyone about firearms, nor used firearms.

Which one do YOU think?
Methinks this doesn't have to be decided in a couple of posts.

I prefer to think the only stupid question is the one not asked.

If the OP fits the a) or b) it will become evident soon enough.

If he were to fit c) then give him all the mentoring help you can to bring him up to speed.

IOW try to be a friend rather than showing superiority.
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Methinks this doesn't have to be decided in a couple of posts.

I prefer to think the only stupid question is the one not asked.

If the OP fits the a) or b) it will become evident soon enough.

If he were to fit c) then give him all the mentoring help you can to bring him up to speed.

IOW try to be a friend rather than showing superiority.
we were all inexperienced once.
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from what i'm reading, the premium high velocity 22LR loadings (cci velocitor type stuff) will meet the minimum 12 inches on gel

62 gr 223 will do 16-20 inches of gel after penetrating auto glass and 4 layers of heavy clothing depending on the ammo
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Jesus, great discussion! Lots of serious, tough hombres on this board.

Please tell me, dear internet friends, who is the first volunteer to approach my house and shake off a 22LR round and prove how ineffective it is in stopping Joe farmer from ransacking my place.

Granted, I would consider a 300yd shot challenging with any caliber, 22LR more so. I'm really trying what to stockpile long term. Several thousand rounds of 5.56 and .308. Just thinking beyond that.

Lighten up dudes.
For even a moderately competent shooter 300yds is NOT a challenging shot with a centerfire rifle. Especially on a man sized target.

You are either VERY inexperienced....or a troll.
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I shook one off when I was 9, I think I weighed 50 lbs at the time, still have the scar.

I'll guarantee that my brother hasn't forgotten muzzle control
Yep and people WALK into the ER with 22 wounds all the time.

The round is devastating to a squirrel at 100+yds....not so much to a person.
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I personally choose the .17 HMR
by volume I can carry more ammo that has a reach 2x that of .22
by accuracy it is far more accurate than most other rounds
Not being as popular as other rounds .
Great for small game ,seeing there won't be much large game post SHTF. though it is capable of taking deer.
Unlike other rounds it fractures making it a more dangerous round to be hit by.
@ 2550 FPS and a small projectile , it will still decimate a 8x8x16 cement block in 3 shots.
As long as the wind isn't blowing...

I like the 17HMR too, it's a freaking laser...in the right conditions.

And the centerfire stuff will bust that cement block up, plus hurt the thing hiding behind it...
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Why do all the non Marines consider this difficult?
20 rounds at 500yd torso target on iron sights just to pass.

That's life as a gravel belly.
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...I've been told it makes it harder to locate the source and guess the distance even for calibers it does not effectively silence....
Yes they do.

Throw some geographic features between yourself and the source & may even be undetected. ie excellent feature for hunting "post" whatever were to occur. Whereas an unsuppressed center fire firearm could be heard for miles.

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...If it weren't for the tax and expense of most suppressors...
Sigh. Yah, same same.
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We all know the only viable defense against bears are poo covered .22lr
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22 LR a brilliant move?

Could be... how important it is depends on the theater / region of US...

22 LR will have unconventional / outside-of-the-box or unexciting uses, some of which people never mention. In those cases, it will be better to be shooting much cheaper 22 LR instead of other kinds of rounds. You'll be better off shooting your 22 LR for those kinds of weird (yet useful) applications, than you'd be shooting up your nice MSR, handgun, or shotgun rounds that you need for other stuff. It could save your life because they're saving you a (different kind of, higher-performing) bullet.

A lot of interesting thoughts from the commenters...

Thought Sharkbait's story was very entertaining.

I remember a CC security video where a big fat woman was standing on a street next to a store, looking totally normal and not upset. A criminal had just shot her with 9 mm, and she was waiting for the ambulance. There are a lot of stories like that.

OTOH, look at the guys shooting the gators on Swamp People. I'm sure a lot of people who don't know better probably want that round to be .308 or something. It's 22 LR.

Just goes to show that it depends on what we're talking about. If you're having one of these "best round" discussions, you can't really be arguing about all times and all purposes. A prepper needs a whole toolbox, not just a tool.
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If you think you're going to do your prepping just by buying 22 LR and no other ammo.... just realize that there are some kinds of stuff you're not going to be able to do with that round.
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There are no shots over 200 yards where I hunt or live. The exception is when I take the 22-250 out of the area to shoot ground squirrels. Even with the scope set at 32X squirrels are difficult at 400 yards. I have an 8X32 scope on one 22-250 and a 6X24 on the other. Long shots on squirrels are difficult. I once shot a combat course with a local police officer. He could not hit a silhouette target at 50 yards with his 1911. My hunting buddy and I,discussed this while hunting Tuesday. He told me his nephew had an 800 yd range. He drove down to see it. It was a bull dozed burm 40 yards from the house. Just a reminder but things we did in our youth are not always possible now.
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