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Old 10-20-2019, 12:26 PM
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the doco "the great hack" is a good start to see how its done

I agree...political influencers both foreign and domestic use social platforms/data and the media/internet in an effort to manipulate public sentiment. In a world where politicians and business are looking to score a big payoff, social platforms are too juicy a target to pass up.


I've always questioned the authenticity of internet personalities who bang the drum a little too loudly. Shill is the word that comes to mind...
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if you wanted a foreign government to assist you in election meddling, would Ukraine be your first thought?

could you find Ukraine on an an unlabeled map?

without looking it up, do you know the currency used in Ukraine, and the current exchange rate?

just how stupid do people have to be to buy this bull****?
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if you wanted a foreign government to assist you in election meddling, would Ukraine be your first thought?

could you find Ukraine on an an unlabeled map?

without looking it up, do you know the currency used in Ukraine, and the current exchange rate?

just how stupid do people have to be to buy this bull****?
Whatever jurisdiction has the weakest or more flexible governance and where your target has the strongest links. Ukraine is a corrupt clown show and Hunter Biden has well founded links in the country, seems like an opportunity.
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Russia impacted our election,
But our election was not impacted by Russia.
I can see how that is confusing.
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One of the DNC's leaked e-mails talks about a potential "leaker" & Skippy Podesta himself replied that an "Example" needed to be made of the guy whether he did it or not.

Julian Assange has hinted several times that the leaker was in fact Seth Rich, which is why I don't expect Assange to ever walk out of his UK Prison alive.
I didn't mention Podesta, but he is likely the brains behind most of Hillary's schemes. I don't believe Hillary is smart enough to come up with these ideas.

WikiLeaks never reveals a source as a matter of policy. If they did, it would destroy their business model. That's why Assange will never come forward and admit that Seth Rich was his source. But the reward made that clear enough.

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Its very easy to get Russia's help to influence an election... all you need to do is give them 20% of the United States’ Uranium.

Except it didn't work because Trump still won... nice try Hillary.
An excellent, but much overlooked point.

Plus there was the $143 million payoff to the Clinton Foundation as well as close a half-million in speaking fees paid directly to Bill. The Russians have never been known for being generous. I wonder why they were so generous with the Clintons.
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It is called special interest. And it is not just governments.

https://www.theguardian.com/global/v...gun-laws-video

The NRA tries it on here.

And I imagine it is worth money to them if they can open up a new market.
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I'm still waiting to hear and see the evidence.

Did they hack voting machines and change dead democrat votes to republican?

Did they pay illegals to vote R?

Was there a Russian sponsored transport/bus conspiracy for specific voting districts?

Maybe they ruled the MSM to push and promote Trump and/or other republicans.

Maybe they constantly ran polls to show Trump would win and discourage Libtard voters.

Maybe they ruled the internet and social media and would censor the Dimocrat/libtard message.
Volume I of the Mueller Report clearly explains what the Russians were up to.
An easy read.
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you mean like when hilary interfered with the haitian elections in 2010, or egypt before that.
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Foreign gov'ts do it the same way we do. We are just as guilty as they are.
If by "we" you meant he Obumer admin (Israeli) then yes.

Who would the commies want in the White House - a corrupt geriatric idiot who in her ENTIRE life has done diddly (or worse) or Donald Trump?
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Money money money m-o-n-e-y.

Remember that Indonesian "businessman" who illegally contributed millions to Bubba's campaign? What ever happened about that?

Funding PACs is trivially easy under present law.
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It is called special interest. And it is not just governments.

https://www.theguardian.com/global/v...gun-laws-video

The NRA tries it on here.

And I imagine it is worth money to them if they can open up a new market.
I call Bravo Sierra.

That article seems to describe an attempt to entrap the NRA. Not an attempt by our NRA to influence a foreign election.

Can't you do better than that?
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Obama was the only candidate in 2008 whose website took contributions from foreign countries. All the other candidates blocked foreign contributions, as required by law. This was tested and proven by several reporters. I don't know where the evidence came from, but one report at the time estimated that the Saudis gave Obama over $12 million.

Then there was the fine for other violations. They kept this pretty quiet.

Obama 2008 campaign fined $375,000

If Trump had done this, it would be grounds for impeachment.
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Point being neither parties should be accepting political donations or money from foreign interests. Nor should they accept money from third parties that accept donations from foreign sources. If they cannot generate enough money legitimately and have to rely on foreign sources to fund their campaign, then perhaps they shouldn't be running.
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Which is why Political Action Committees exist. The greatest evil that John McCain perpetrated in his tenure as Senator was the McCain-Feingold Bill, which ostensibly reformed the business of campaign finance. All it did in fact was to concentrate power in the hands of the Party bigwigs, and encourage the creation of the morass of Political Action Committees that now dominate the landscape. The beauty of PACs is that they can accept and spend unlimited money, and that it is very easy to conceal the sources of that money.

Example: The Clintons incorporated a branch of their "Foundation" in Canada, which does not require that donors be identified. The Canadian Foundation shifts money to American NGOs, who then contribute to the PACs. All legal and aboveboard, but because of the Canadian loophole we cannot know where the money originated.

PACs in theory cannot coordinate advertising strategy and tactics with the candidate they support, and if you believe that I have some beachfront property in Oklahoma to sell you.

Look into David Brock, who is a past master of political money laundering.

I could go on.......................

A blogger smarter than I am pointed out recently that as long as American foreign policy wields power and influence over matters beyond our borders, the PTB in the rest of the world will move heaven and earth to influence American politics.
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Obama was the only candidate in 2008 whose website took contributions from foreign countries. All the other candidates blocked foreign contributions, as required by law. This was tested and proven by several reporters. I don't know where the evidence came from, but one report at the time estimated that the Saudis gave Obama over $12 million.

Then there was the fine for other violations. They kept this pretty quiet.

Obama 2008 campaign fined $375,000

If Trump had done this, it would be grounds for impeachment.
Judicial Watch had a lot to say on McCain 2008 fundraising among foreign nationals.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...selections2008
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Drop in the ocean compared to what the Obama/Soros campaign did.

And you worked so hard to find that, too . . . .

But participation trophy is all you get.
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I tend to think foreign government involvement in our elections is less of a threat to the sanctity of the vote than certain Democrat precincts
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I tend to think foreign government involvement in our elections is less of a threat to the sanctity of the vote than certain Democrat precincts
AMEN to that ^^^^^
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There have multiple congressional reports on the subject, the DIA, CIA and FBi and multiple other intel agencies have investigated and talked of thow it was done.

Even the President knows and has made statements about this.

But you know, getting a bunch of like-minded people who lather themselves with Trumpbutter will have the best answer, right?
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I would certainly think so. Better than any of the Clintoncremers.
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