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Old 10-19-2019, 05:29 PM
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Lot # 22318RB has been recalled.


They are saying it has been known for years, so maybe stop using it altogether?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/j-j-rec...rn-11571408967

"J&J faces lawsuits from about 15,500 people in the U.S. claiming that use of J&J’s baby powder and its other talc-containing products caused ovarian cancer and a rare cancer known as mesothelioma. Some of the lawsuits allege that asbestos in the talc products contributed to the cancer because asbestos is a known carcinogen.

While some of the lawsuits focus on the use of talcum powder manufactured many years ago, plaintiffs’ lawyers say that their allegations aren’t limited to the past and that the ongoing safety of J&J’s talcum powder is an issue in the cases."
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Why would you put baby powder in your underwear, on your privates?

When I was a young kid in health class they said don't put anything down there and I listened. Glad I did.

Like I told a paratransit client wearing too much cologne "No one smells that bad". Especially if you are bathing regularly.
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a quick google search yielded this guys test results.

https://www.artofmanliness.com/artic...-swamp-crotch/

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Why would you put baby powder in your underwear, on your privates?

When I was a young kid in health class they said don't put anything down there and I listened. Glad I did.

Like I told a paratransit client wearing too much cologne "No one smells that bad". Especially if you are bathing regularly.
Women dont get itchy balls.
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I have the feeling that this is destined for the Darkside.

(and that somewhere, somehow, Mikek's balls are itchy).
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It's the women getting ovarian cancer. "Because of use for female hygiene"

While adhering to board rules I can say my husband would be most displeased if he went exploring and found baby powder/talc.

So I don't get why a woman would use it if she is bathing and changing her underwear every day. I am about 220 so don't use the "big girl" argument either.
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This has been going on for years and there is still no proof that the baby powder caused cancer. The article itself does not offer proof only claims made by lawyers. Even the American cancer society says there is no proof.

I am going to keep on breading my cutlets daily till the lawyers nickel and dime J&J so much that they just give up.
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Didn't they say lab tests showed it contained asbestos?

"Plaintiffs’ lawyers say that asbestos was present in J&J’s talcum powder in greater concentrations many decades ago and that the concentrations dissipated as J&J changed sources for the mining of talc, a mineral. Yet the lawyers say more recent tests, including by experts they have hired, have shown trace amounts in products made since the 1970s. J&J has disputed the validity of those tests."

I guess you could dispute the tests, or that the amts were of no consequence
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"FDA test indicates presence of sub-trace levels of asbestos contamination in samples from single bottle"

"Johnson & Johnson said it recalled one lot, about 33,000 bottles, of its Johnson’s Baby Powder because the U.S. Food and Drug Administration found a small amount of asbestos in a single bottle, a discovery likely to fuel existing concerns about the safety of the famous product."

As long as I do not go and snort it like Tony Montana I should be fine.
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They say asbestos is unsafe at any levels.

But The ceiling of the college dorm was made of asbestos, which would deposit a fine dust over everything from the continual commotion of the students on the upper floor. There was a black rotary dial telephone, and every morning the white dust on it was very visible.

And the brake pads I used to change in the backyard were asbestos. I would blow the dust off each brake drum as i removed it.

And at the smelter summer job I had when going to school, had as one of the tasks mixing up a big bag of dry friable asbestos in a bucket with some water to make an insulating mud, to close off an inspection port in the 1000 deg C fluidized bed roasters, after first opening it with an industrial 10 gauge shotgun. Then a quick dust-off with an air hose.
The other part of the job was shoveling up tons of lead dust that fell off conveyors belts, and that dumped out of bucket elevators, when shear pins broke and the elevators spun backwards.



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At least it was 100 degrees and 100% humidity and required a canister gas mask at all times outside of the control room, with oxygen deficiencies common and no gas monitoring.

That company had quite a history. The plant I worked at averaged a couple fatalities a month from furnace blowouts, and if they survived, were horribly burned. My neighbor was a marine corp vet and was caught in a blowout. Spent a year getting skin grafts. He fell into the molten metal pooling on the floor and was pulled out by a brave co-worker.

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I eagerly await the night we hang all the lawyers. Every last one of them.
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While adhering to board rules I can say my husband would be most displeased if he went exploring and found baby powder/talc.

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I know the asbestos glove for changing barrels made a 1/2 way decent pillow in the field. I guess I'm gonna die, at least that's what my doctors have been telling me for 20 years. Most of them are dead now though.
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People can blow off asbestos all they want. My grandfather died from lung cancer, primarily caused from asbestos. A pipefitter for 40 years, all kinds of insulation was asbestos. They even put asbestos in 6010 welding rod, but refuse to openly admit it. I saw him spend 3 years in and out of hospitals, finally dying. He sure as hell wasn't the only one to get cancer from the trade.

Go ahead and play the tough guy and roll around in asbestos all you want. I'll be god damned if I ever touch the stuff. I've walked right off a job because some a-hole wanted me to strip asbestos insulation off a pipe.
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Let's not forget Kent cigarettes with the Micronite filter that was touted in the 1950s. I remember the ads. The filters were made of blue asbestos. This type of asbestos was extremely dangerous. It came into the plant in bales. The air in the Kent cigarette plant was full of asbestos dust. Most of the workers got lung cancer. Some people claimed they got cancer after visiting the plant only one time.



I have not yet figured out how women were getting ovarian cancer from baby powder. Even if they were powdering their privates, the ovaries are a bit higher and inside the body.
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Talc miners had a large incidence of lung cancer. I believe that may have set the stage to look at further implications of the product. Talc is an important industrial product, having lubricating properties, yet dry. Kind of interesting to look up some of the uses, including insulating uses.

It was a long time ago that I looked up talc and ovarian cancer. Iirc, it is thought to actually migrate up, all the way thru the falliopian tubes to the ovaries. Also the thought was that many parents dusting their babies while diapering started the process. Corn starch has similar properties and seems to be safer.

I do not know where my mother got it but she said years ago that it was not good to use talcum powder. She has been gone for almost ten years. I think this is an issue where there is much to indicate a problem and maybe a lack of desire, $$$, to prove a problem. That is, until lawyers get their fingers in the pie.
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Well, home it's all connected. When my doctor did my ovarian surgery (one cyst on each) he went in through the front door.

In my case he left a tumor that may cause cancer one day so he could "preserve my fertility" even though I told him, and my husband told him, we didn't want any children. He was a fertility specialist though with a wall of babies he had delivered (photos). So he left the ovary even though I TOLD HIM TO TAKE IT if he couldn't get the tumor.

Great. So now I have a ticking time bomb by my left hip. The other tumor came off and I have been fine for 20 years now.

But I would have rather he took it. God gives us 2 after all and I could have had the other one for hormones and reproduction if I changed my mind.

In health class they taught us that some women used spray (that can't be beneficial long term), douches, and powder "down there", it was a bad idea "the body can clean itself" and just a regular shower every day would take care of my sanitary needs. So women must have been putting the powder in their underwear.
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The lung cancer/asbestos thing was shown many, many years ago to correlate to long fiber asbestos, combined with smoking. Non-smokers who worked with asbestos were found to have a much lower rate of cancers.

FWIW I've preferred talc over cornstarch for 50+ years.
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Why would you put baby powder in your underwear, on your privates?

When I was a young kid in health class they said don't put anything down there and I listened. Glad I did.

Like I told a paratransit client wearing too much cologne "No one smells that bad". Especially if you are bathing regularly.
Just like people put deodorant or antiperspirants into their armpits.

It is not the smell that is the problem, but when someone sweats enough and there is movement combined it causes chafing. That isn't fun, regardless if it's armpit or crotch. Person doesn't have to miss shower for days, just working hard or doing some sports is enough, hot weather doesn't help either.
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Cornstarch - for nearly 60 years. We were p-o-o-r when we were first married. Hubby had been spoiled. When I suggested he use cornstarch he looked at me like I had lost my mind. A few days later in 100+ heat he decided to try it. He's never used anything else since either.
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