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Old 10-17-2019, 07:55 AM
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Thats crazy. Makes no sense that you can join the military and go to war but can drink a damn beer at that same age.
The fact that the minimum drinking age is 21 is just stupid. Dont college kids drink? A lot? In Germany, at 16 you can drink both beer and wine, 18 for white spirits.
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That's the same argument used back in the late 60's and early 70's during the Vietnam war. They changed it to 18 for a while and then at some point raised it back up to 21.
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That's the same argument used back in the late 60's and early 70's during the Vietnam war. They changed it to 18 for a while and then at some point raised it back up to 21.
Yup, you can legally go kill people but god forbid you should ever have a beer.😳
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Yup, you can legally go kill people but god forbid you should ever have a beer.😳
I understand the OP's point.. I was the victim of just such a
policy during V.N. I turned 19 in the Mekong...…


FerFal-- the problem with 18yo drinking.. You can still legally
kill somebody. unfortunately, it will be on a hiway……….

So, I understand both sides...…...
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I understand the need for 18 year olds in the military in the past but is it still truly necesarry or even sensible with how automated our modern military is? Many of these kids sign up while still in high school.
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Our 18 year olds are still eating Tide pods and lighting bottle rockets from their ass. Not mature enough.
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Something else to make you say "Hmmmm" : you can't own or carry a handgun legally until you're 21 but if your MOS is Military Police, you are issued & expected to carry a handgun before you turn 21.

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Back in the day the drinking age in TN was 17 for beer & wine, it was a short drive to the border back then......no clue who decided one should be able to die for the USA but not drink @18 though . I'd bet it was political more than anything. I "should" remember the changing but I was likely living my life & not paying attention as I was > 21 by then anyway.
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Drinking age was 18 in the 80's for a bit. I turned 18 & could legally drink for 3 months or so then the law changed to 21. Didn't really care though as I had gotten my biggest drinking days over with by the time I got out of high school. To this day (54) I still don't drink as much as I did from 13-16 as a stupid kid trying to "Be Cool."

When you're 18 you can also vote & go to prison rather than a juvenile detention facility. If you're legally an adult you should be able to buy a hand gun & drink as well. I say raise legal adult age to 21 "OR" lower the drinking age & hand gun buying age to 18. Double standards are BS.
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Something else to make you say "Hmmmm" : you can't own or carry a handgun legally until you're 21 but if your MOS is Military Police, you are issued & expected to carry a handgun before you turn 21.

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A valid point but to be fair, the average 18 year old in the Military is a cut above the average jack wagon walking the streets trying to figure out which bathroom to use.
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The age of being an adult under the law needs to be a single age, nationwide.

Most kids leave home by age 18. i think this should be the age of being considered an adult under the law.

Legal for consensual sex, drinking, serving in the military, being responsible under the laws as adults.
Any crimes tried as an adult.
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I like the way they handle drinking in much of Europe, children are allowed to drink at home which (IMO) substantially reduces the desire to experiment on their own.
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Drinking age was 18 in the 80's for a bit. I turned 18 & could legally drink for 3 months or so then the law changed to 21.
Same thing happened to me... I was legal for a while, I don't remember exactly how long, but it was less than a year. Then one day I wasn't able to buy alcohol again.
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Something else to make you say "Hmmmm" : you can't own or carry a handgun legally until you're 21 but if your MOS is Military Police, you are issued & expected to carry a handgun before you turn 21.

Mark
Huge difference....in the military, you are trained extensively, taught how to act, closely supervised, and filtered out if you are a liability.

The only thing that makes me go hmmmm is people that can’t see the difference between that, and a kegger at the reservoir for a pile of stoners and jocks to get in a fight with each other.

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I like the way they handle drinking in much of Europe, children are allowed to drink at home which (IMO) substantially reduces the desire to experiment on their own.
You can do the same here in most states, as long as your kids aren’t drunk out in public or sharing with their buddies.

Odd how Americans honestly don’t know the law, but still know and regurgitate the talking points.
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Old 10-17-2019, 10:33 AM
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The age of being an adult under the law needs to be a single age, nationwide.

Most kids leave home by age 18. i think this should be the age of being considered an adult under the law.

Legal for consensual sex, drinking, serving in the military, firearm owership, being responsible under the laws as adults.
Ant crimes tried as an adult.
Consensual sex should be determined by the age gap between the two parties. Most teens are sexually active between 15 & 17, at least that's what my memory of being a teen in the 80's was. My buddy's younger bother went to prison @ 18 for having sex with his 16 year old girl friend & her parents pressed charges. When he got out, she was 18 & they got married & he ended up living with her at her parents house because he couldn't find a job as an ex-con. LOL!

I understand that NOBODY wants their teen age daughter to be sexually active but, that's what teens have been doing for thousands of years & it takes a special kind of STUPID to think they're going to stop because of a law. I'm all for 30 year old's going to prison for nailing a high school girl but, if there's only 3 or 4 years age difference, that's basically the natural, normal selective order of our species. If a teen age girl is sexually active/gets pregnant within her peer group, the failure rests squarely on the parents shoulders & not the teen age/early 20's Kid who was out of his mind due to hormones.
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I like the way they handle drinking in much of Europe, children are allowed to drink at home which (IMO) substantially reduces the desire to experiment on their own.
As far as I know that is the way it is in the US it just isn't part of our culture like it is some places in Europe. Up until a couple years ago(it may have changed now) a kid could drink in a bar if their parent was present.
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I think it goes state by state. It was 18 when I was growing up, but everyone knew where to buy beer at age 16 or younger. At the worst you found someone to buy your 2 quarts of Colt 45 on a Friday night.
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As far as I know that is the way it is in the US it just isn't part of our culture like it is some places in Europe. Up until a couple years ago(it may have changed now) a kid could drink in a bar if their parent was present.
I think that varies from state to state. Here in Tennessee a CCW carrier can legally carry into a bar as long as it serves food & they don't drink. I doubt that is the case in Kommiefornia or NY City.

I do think kids should be able to drink under Parent supervision. We allowed our daughter to have a glass or 2 of wine with us after she turned 15. Today @ 24 she is very responsible with her drinking.
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I think that varies from state to state. Here in Tennessee a CCW carrier can legally carry into a bar as long as it serves food & they don't drink. I doubt that is the case in Kommiefornia or NY City.

I do think kids should be able to drink under Parent supervision. We allowed our daughter to have a glass or 2 of wine with us after she turned 15. Today @ 24 she is very responsible with her drinking.
I should have included "in Wisconsin, where I live" in my response, because as you say laws change a lot from state to state.
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Thats crazy. Makes no sense that you can join the military and go to war but can drink a damn beer at that same age.
The fact that the minimum drinking age is 21 is just stupid. Dont college kids drink? A lot? In Germany, at 16 you can drink both beer and wine, 18 for white spirits.
The real problem was during the VN war. An 18 yr old could not legaly drink, but he could be drafted and sent to war, with very little training. Basically 18 yr old cannon fodder.

Fortunately these laws have changed and the US has a volunteer military now. So our soilders first must choose to serve. Last time I checked you needed a HS diploma before the military would accept you, and they invest a lot more time and training our before sending them into combat.

I can see the argument for a nationwide age of consent, where the kid must either reach a certain age, or complete high school, or obtain parent approval in order to have the full rights as a US Citizen. Rights like voting, gun ownership, mairrage, contracts, drinking.
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