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1) I don't play party politics

So i'll ask you, is the GOP now the party of:
Pro tariff, big government, no morals or decorum and fiscal irresponsibility or the current GOP ID's themselves as Nazi's and klan members?

Which one?
I'd say neither.

First the "Klan" was birthed by Democrats along with slavery and the proceeding Jim Crow laws.

Democrats fought tooth and nail against civil-rights and then built every single ghetto in America to house their new black slaves. To keep them in-line they created broken, dysfunctional unionized public school systems that encouraged drop-outs, teen pregnancy and fatherless homes. Ensuring a dependent block of voters which many call the new plantations of the DNC.

To add insult to injury they now actually claim to the ignorant that they were the real Republicans all along because the parties switched.

2nd the Nazi's (National Socialist Workers Party) was a left-wing organization that believed in big-government, control of industry, healthcare and a fully cooperating media. Much like CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC. Just extensions of liberal/socialist politics and doctrines.
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I think most on this forum would probably view me as a leftist but I look at things as a whole. Mattis and Haley are two persons I can live with.
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I'd say neither.

First the "Klan" was birthed by Democrats along with slavery and the proceeding Jim Crow laws.

Democrats fought tooth and nail against civil-rights and then built every single ghetto in America to house their new black slaves. To keep them in-line they created broken, dysfunctional unionized public school systems that encouraged drop-outs, teen pregnancy and fatherless homes. Ensuring a dependent block of voters which many call the new plantations of the DNC.

To add insult to injury they now actually claim to the ignorant that they were the real Republicans all along because the parties switched.

2nd the Nazi's (National Socialist Workers Party) was a left-wing organization that believed in big-government, control of industry, healthcare and a fully cooperating media. Much like CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC. Just extensions of liberal/socialist politics and doctrines.
You can say what you want. In reality, outside of your echo chamber and reality, you aren't correct, well, fully correct.

Unlike others, you took the time to answer the question. For that, I give you props but as usual, your intellectual dishonesty comes screaming out.

Nazi's had socialist in name, but it was just that, in name only, like Trump being a Conservative. Hitler took over the party that was already named, killed the socialist and loathed them. Korea is named the Democratic Republic of NK so they must be a democracy right?

Yes, the Klan started and had its ugly roots in the Democratic party. We both know the parties swapped. We've had tremendous discussion about this. Every time that happens, you simply deny sources, call them fake news provide no evidence of your own and stop responding.

Both of these are known by historians and scholars alike. To continue to deny them shows poorly of those who perpetrate the lies and even less kindly on those that believe them.

The only thing worse than this brand of Republicans, your brand is the fact they are only slightly less disgusting than the current crop of Dems. They a lost party based on a mouthpiece that is failing them and us daily. They are in denial of just how disconnected they are from a dying base they have grasped onto the alt-right factions that are ugly and disgusting which this President calls "fine people".

Yes, the Klan and Nazi's were once based with the ugly Dems but now follow vote and call Trump their President and he likes them right back.

So again, we know how ugly the Dems are but the GOP fails at everything the platform stands for. At least the Dems are truthful on chaing our way of life and taking our rights, the GOP lies about them, gets mentally inept to believe them and sells it like they are better.

I won't engage with you further. Why? You'll have nothing new. As you always do and get a few other clowns to drop some likes on your post.
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I think most on this forum would probably view me as a leftist but I look at things as a whole. Mattis and Haley are two persons I can live with.
Anyone who has a free thought or isnt' a Trump bootlicker is a leftist or socialist around here. Get used to it.
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Sorry...but the Nazis have FAR more in common with leftist socialists than with right wing conservative capitalists.

The reason the political scale crap says they are on the right is because they allowed personal ownership of the means of production, and retained the concept of nationality.

But it’s a smoke and mirrors game. You ONLY get to retain ownership, if you do what the socialist government says. And the government was very much socialist, everything was to be run for the good of the people...at least, the people that the state felt were deserving.

That’s where the nationalism came in. It was the raison d'etre for everything the state did...or at least, the excuse for it. Nationalism...actually racism, and a few other ‘isms in Hitlers case...while a real thing in Hitlers mind, was just a rallying point for most Germans. It became real with the propaganda, but you have to remember, Germany had only been a country for about 80 years. People were Hessians or Pfaelzers first, and Germans second, until Hitler started changing things.

Some political scale creators feel you could connect the left end and right ends and create a circular loop...and the Nazis would be right there next to the communists, with the only real difference being ownership and more social classes.

Regardless...the most Nazi-esque activities in the US today are the actions of the left, aided by a media that would have made Goebbels the happiest man on earth. The left is also using the same tactics used in Eastern Europe after WW2 to usher in the USSR version of “socialism” that was really a modified version of communism.

The Nazis and the communists and socialists have much in common.

No doubt, no question. And I have a degree in history...so there’s that.
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Lol! I did ask...

But, Scott Baio?
Yes, Scott Baio. Staunch conservative. That's why Charles was left in charge and Chachi never cheated on Joanie.

Seriously, though, he's a more reliable conservative than most of the current political crop.

Might I also add into the mix:

Clint Eastwood, if his expiration date is 2024 or later

Dr. Thomas Sowell or Dr. Walter Williams, maybe both, if they can take a correct stance on the 2A

Dennis Prager, if he can get over the stigma of being a Jew

Candace Owens, if she can magically be old enough in time

Rev. Norm Cameron, if he can "find" a US birth certificate
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So again, we know how ugly the Dems are but the GOP fails at everything the platform stands for. At least the Dems are truthful on changing our way of life and taking our rights, the GOP lies about them, gets mentally inept to believe them and sells it like they are better.
100% spot on. It floors me how fervent people are at rooting for their own team, be it R or D, while ignoring the blatant reality around them.

Both 'sides' are equally bad, but the game is rigged such that those are the only two teams you get to pick from... and We the Sheeple eat it up.

At the end of Trump's run as Puppet, err President, it will be very much the same as it was at the end of Obama's, and Bush's before him, and Clinton's, etc, etc, ad nauseam:

The Administration will have signed more laws than they have stricken off the books, started or maintained an unconstitutional war, increased tax burden for us all by increasing the national debt, and expanding the size and scope of government. All of which make us less free every year.

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Anyone who has a free thought or isnt' a Trump bootlicker is a leftist or socialist around here. Get used to it.
Every time I hear a supposed "Patriot" or "educated voter" spout something like "President X will save us from the crazy Left/Right!!!" I can do nothing more than roll my eyes and put in another order of ammo and LTS food.

With the amount of critical thinking that the average voter displays, "we" are going to vote ourselves into the Socialist or Police State "we" deserve.
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You can say what you want. In reality, outside of your echo chamber and reality, you aren't correct, well, fully correct.

Unlike others, you took the time to answer the question. For that, I give you props but as usual, your intellectual dishonesty comes screaming out.

Nazi's had socialist in name, but it was just that, in name only, like Trump being a Conservative. Hitler took over the party that was already named, killed the socialist and loathed them. Korea is named the Democratic Republic of NK so they must be a democracy right?

Yes, the Klan started and had its ugly roots in the Democratic party. We both know the parties swapped. We've had tremendous discussion about this. Every time that happens, you simply deny sources, call them fake news provide no evidence of your own and stop responding.

Both of these are known by historians and scholars alike. To continue to deny them shows poorly of those who perpetrate the lies and even less kindly on those that believe them.

The only thing worse than this brand of Republicans, your brand is the fact they are only slightly less disgusting than the current crop of Dems. They a lost party based on a mouthpiece that is failing them and us daily. They are in denial of just how disconnected they are from a dying base they have grasped onto the alt-right factions that are ugly and disgusting which this President calls "fine people".

Yes, the Klan and Nazi's were once based with the ugly Dems but now follow vote and call Trump their President and he likes them right back.

So again, we know how ugly the Dems are but the GOP fails at everything the platform stands for. At least the Dems are truthful on chaing our way of life and taking our rights, the GOP lies about them, gets mentally inept to believe them and sells it like they are better.

I won't engage with you further. Why? You'll have nothing new. As you always do and get a few other clowns to drop some likes on your post.
Was Trump a Klansman and a Nazi BEFORE or AFTER he dated a black girl?
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Nazi's had socialist in name, but it was just that, in name only, Hitler took over the party that was already named, killed the socialist and loathed them.

Yes, the Klan started and had its ugly roots in the Democratic party. We both know the parties swapped.
1) Incorrect. Tight government control of the economy is the #1 hallmark of a socialist gov.

2) Incorrect again. Parties remain the same. In 1960, Democrats held every Senate seat south of the Mason-Dixon line. Civil Rights Act Democrats in the Senate, however, filibustered it. In June of 1964, though, the bill came up again, and it passed...over the strenuous objections of Southern Democrats. 80% of House Republicans voted for the measure, compared with just 61% of Democrats, while 82% of Republicans in the Senate supported it, compared with 69% of Democrats.

Jeezus H. Khrist, the left is once again pushing for segregation. So don't tell me the parties have changed.



Back to point 1)

QUOTE: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism...m-totalitarian

"What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.

De facto government ownership of the means of production, as Mises termed it, was logically implied by such fundamental collectivist principles embraced by the Nazis as that the common good comes before the private good and the individual exists as a means to the ends of the State. If the individual is a means to the ends of the State, so too, of course, is his property. Just as he is owned by the State, his property is also owned by the State.

But what specifically established de facto socialism in Nazi Germany was the introduction of price and wage controls in 1936. These were imposed in response to the inflation of the money supply carried out by the regime from the time of its coming to power in early 1933. The Nazi regime inflated the money supply as the means of financing the vast increase in government spending required by its programs of public works, subsidies, and rearmament. The price and wage controls were imposed in response to the rise in prices that began to result from the inflation.

The effect of the combination of inflation and price and wage controls is shortages, that is, a situation in which the quantities of goods people attempt to buy exceed the quantities available for sale.

Shortages, in turn, result in economic chaos. It's not only that consumers who show up in stores early in the day are in a position to buy up all the stocks of goods and leave customers who arrive later, with nothing — a situation to which governments typically respond by imposing rationing. Shortages result in chaos throughout the economic system. They introduce randomness in the distribution of supplies between geographical areas, in the allocation of a factor of production among its different products, in the allocation of labor and capital among the different branches of the economic system.

In the face of the combination of price controls and shortages, the effect of a decrease in the supply of an item is not, as it would be in a free market, to raise its price and increase its profitability, thereby operating to stop the decrease in supply, or reverse it if it has gone too far. Price control prohibits the rise in price and thus the increase in profitability. At the same time, the shortages caused by price controls prevent increases in supply from reducing price and profitability. When there is a shortage, the effect of an increase in supply is merely a reduction in the severity of the shortage. Only when the shortage is totally eliminated does an increase in supply necessitate a decrease in price and bring about a decrease in profitability.

As a result, the combination of price controls and shortages makes possible random movements of supply without any effect on price and profitability. In this situation, the production of the most trivial and unimportant goods, even pet rocks, can be expanded at the expense of the production of the most urgently needed and important goods, such as life-saving medicines, with no effect on the price or profitability of either good. Price controls would prevent the production of the medicines from becoming more profitable as their supply decreased, while a shortage even of pet rocks prevented their production from becoming less profitable as their supply increased.

As Mises showed, to cope with such unintended effects of its price controls, the government must either abolish the price controls or add further measures, namely, precisely the control over what is produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it is distributed, which I referred to earlier. The combination of price controls with this further set of controls constitutes the de facto socialization of the economic system. For it means that the government then exercises all of the substantive powers of ownership.

This was the socialism instituted by the Nazis. And Mises calls it socialism on the German or Nazi pattern, in contrast to the more obvious socialism of the Soviets, which he calls socialism on the Russian or Bolshevik pattern."
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as a democrat, Duke would fit right in with the other lunatics you guys are throwing out there.
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David Duke is a much better fit for the clown circus currently running on the Dem side of the great divide.
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He's a Republican.
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Yeah, and Trump was a Democrat until he started thinking about the presidency. Then he became realistic.

The only reason David Duke calls himself a Republican is because the Nazi party doesn't get much traction in the USA -- especially with Republicans.
Duke is merely an opportunist and changed parties because he believed it would be a more financially advantage for him. Duke is in it for Duke. He hasn't changed his stripes one bit. I haven't seen too many GOP folks side with him. He may endorse someone and I'm sure they hate it. He does the GOP zero favors.

The guy needs to go away. He needs to shut up. Whether he sides now with the GOP or even if he goes back to the Dem side, he is a curse. Neither side wants him chiming in.
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Duke is merely an opportunist and changed parties because he believed it would be a more financially advantage for him. Duke is in it for Duke. He hasn't changed his stripes one bit. I haven't seen too many GOP folks side with him. He may endorse someone and I'm sure they hate it. He does the GOP zero favors.
See? Duke and Trump have lots in common.
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Hell, republican plan 1 was Resist Trump. They wasted the majorities they had in Congress doing that.
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I'm a bit curious if anyone has considered a Trumpless scenario. If for whatever reason, Trump either chooses not to run (way doubtful), or kicks the bucket (in which case NO ONE will believe it wasn't orchestrated), could the Republican Party survive much less be a contender?

I like Mike Pence a lot, but without Divine Intervention, he just doesn't have the Force of Nature attitude necessary to ward off the Liberal/Progressive creep.

Does anyone on here see anybody out there with both the Chutzpah and unifying ability we could stand behind?
Without President Trump, I'd really like to see Sheriff David Clarke run for POTUS if he stood strong & stood by his values. I really think President Trump has shown us that we need a strong LEADER that won't curl up into the fetal position the minute the Marxists scream accusations of anti-PC. Let the Lefties shriek & toss their poo like hysterical chimpanzees. It's actually very entertaining.
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1) Stop being wannabe Democrats
2) Embrace true, old-style Conservatism.
3) Stop pandering to special interest groups.
4) Focus on the vision and dream of the Founders.


Get back to their roots.
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Sorry...but the Nazis have FAR more in common with leftist socialists than with right wing conservative capitalists.

The reason the political scale crap says they are on the right is because they allowed personal ownership of the means of production, and retained the concept of nationality.

But it’s a smoke and mirrors game. You ONLY get to retain ownership, if you do what the socialist government says. And the government was very much socialist, everything was to be run for the good of the people...at least, the people that the state felt were deserving.

That’s where the nationalism came in. It was the raison d'etre for everything the state did...or at least, the excuse for it. Nationalism...actually racism, and a few other ‘isms in Hitlers case...while a real thing in Hitlers mind, was just a rallying point for most Germans. It became real with the propaganda, but you have to remember, Germany had only been a country for about 80 years. People were Hessians or Pfaelzers first, and Germans second, until Hitler started changing things.

Some political scale creators feel you could connect the left end and right ends and create a circular loop...and the Nazis would be right there next to the communists, with the only real difference being ownership and more social classes.

Regardless...the most Nazi-esque activities in the US today are the actions of the left, aided by a media that would have made Goebbels the happiest man on earth. The left is also using the same tactics used in Eastern Europe after WW2 to usher in the USSR version of “socialism” that was really a modified version of communism.

The Nazis and the communists and socialists have much in common.

No doubt, no question. And I have a degree in history...so there’s that.
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Was Trump a Klansman and a Nazi BEFORE or AFTER he dated a black girl?
Was he a Democrat his entire life before he got a low info voter based to vote for him?
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1) Incorrect. Tight government control of the economy is the #1 hallmark of a socialist gov.
And a fascist government, but why tell the whole story when making these types of comments.

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2) Incorrect again. Parties remain the same. In 1960, Democrats held every Senate seat south of the Mason-Dixon line. Civil Rights Act Democrats in the Senate, however, filibustered it. In June of 1964, though, the bill came up again, and it passed...over the strenuous objections of Southern Democrats. 80% of House Republicans voted for the measure, compared with just 61% of Democrats, while 82% of Republicans in the Senate supported it, compared with 69% of Democrats.
Not one single southern Republican voted for the civil rights bill either time.

Carl Rove making the case of the party swaps you are in denial about.
Skip forward to 5.45


The realignment he talks about translates to
What happens in a party realignment?
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2. An election contest in which the voters shift their support strongly in favor of one party
3. A major change in policy brought about through the action of the stronger party
4. An enduring change in party coalitions, which works to the lasting advantage of the dominant party
There have been FIVE shifts (changes)
1800
1828
1860
1932
and Rove contends that 1896 was the most influential.

7:30 Democratic party is of state rights, limited government, low taxes and low tariffs.
7:55 Republicans stand for the robust federal government and high tariffs and civil rights.

We can be intellectually dishonest all you want, facts are facts, this is a Republican saying this. Scholars and those that study history all understand this. The only ones who can't grasp the fact there were party swaps is those who live in an echo chamber.
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This is what they themselves think. Always good to reference they source of that version of our Uber masters:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/17/eliz...ork-to-do.html
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Was he a Democrat his entire life before he got a low info voter based to vote for him?
There you go again. Why not just say those voters are deplorable? You know, just like one of your obvious heroes. Or claim " "They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion..." like probably another hero of yours?

I'm a deplorable. Yes I like guns and I follow the bible as best I can. What do you believe in?
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