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When World War III Happens, It Will Start In One Of These 5 Places

The world has avoided war between major power war since 1945, even if the United States and the Soviet Union came quite close on several occasions during the Cold War. In the first two decades following the fall of the Berlin Wall, great power war seemed virtually unimaginable. Today, with China’s power still increasing and Russia’s rejection of the international order apparently complete, great power conflict is back on the menu.

In what is slowly becoming a tradition here at TNI (see my predictions for 2017 and 2018) what are the most dangerous flashpoints to watch in 2019?

The South China Sea:
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Korean Peninsula:
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Some will say that the the battles offshore of Indonesia and in Indonesia between the Chinese and Indian forces were the start but the war actually centered around the Chinese Antarctic belt and band routes east of the Philippines and the battles on both coasts of Africa and in the Antarctic Oceans. The American forces concentrated on hemming the Chinese South American deep water ports in Uraguay and Paraguay. Most of the war concentrated there and along thier mutual border but later expanded to the Middleast region, where it bogged down and where the heaviest casualties and destruction occurred, culminating in several limited strategic exchanges with advanced biological and nuclear weapons.Smaller theaters of warfare occurred in Venezuela and Cuba, while the Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan saw prolonged but limited warfare using conventional forces. Much of the battles were characterized as limited battles with limited objectives. The EU was not a participant, with the outflow of young moslem men on jihad to the middleast whose parents had arrived a generation earlier. Many became casualties there or stayed to fight the Chinese occupiers.
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Doesn't really matter where it will start. It's more important where it will be fought.

The first two never came to our shores (conventional warfare). Can we be as lucky this time?
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Where it will be fought is kind of in the name.....World war.

Both world wars did in fact have battles on American soil
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Interesting points and banter. I think the US would have to be down or knocked back a few pegs before anything serious gets started.
I could see a Russian/Chinese mash up. Russia is very worried about China with them growing and right on the border. A lot of people say Russian and Iran or China and Iran joining forces, but I don’t see it as both cultures don’t do muslim. But Rus and China enjoy selling arms to Iran en masse.
I don’t think we have to worry about Norway or Switzerland starting it either.
I think the dynamics favors China taking on the US but only once they’re certain in their mind that they have the overwhelming odds to win.
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Everybody with the power to fight a world war, knows there would be no winner to world war.

I contend that WWIII will be an accident, started by smaller countries that spirals out of control and forces larger countries to fight out of sheer desperation.
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Where it will be fought is kind of in the name.....World war.

Both world wars did in fact have battles on American soil
Kind of small potatoes in the large picture view of things, though.

And no...the name came from how many nations were involved, how many fronts there were, and how widespread their locations were. The world is a large place, every place in the world will not necessarily see battles.

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Everybody with the power to fight a world war, knows there would be no winner to world war.
That’s not so. There is really only one nation that could even fight a world war, the rest would absolutely need allies to even start thinking about it. Of course, the one nation is us, and while we could certainly fight it, we’d have a hard time winning it if we didn’t have allies as well. And no, launching a pile of nuke’s is not a war, it’s an attack in a war.

Of course, winning that war would be a very different thing than past wars, the world will be a very different place when it was over, and for the US, we’d be learning how the Brits, France and China felt after the last ones.

But there absolutely would be a world, the sci fi BS isn’t reality.

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I contend that WWIII will be an accident, started by smaller countries that spirals out of control and forces larger countries to fight out of sheer desperation.
Probably....the last ones were too. At least, no one planned to have that many fronts and battles all at once, the WW1 Germans thought they could fight a few battles and use Austro-Hungarian power to bluff other countries into making concessions, and Hitler thought he could solidify Europe and then regroup before taking the rest of the world by the cross or by the sword, the Japanese felt the same about the western Pacific rim.

And it spiraled out of control, usually due to logistics...after the first few campaigns, raw materials and supply lines determined where the rest of the battles were. Except when Hitler got involved.
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Doesn't really matter where it will start. It's more important where it will be fought.

The first two never came to our shores (conventional warfare). Can we be as lucky this time?
Shakes head in disbelief. No wonder the progressives are making progress at breakneck speed.
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But there absolutely would be a world, the sci fi BS isn’t reality.
Oh, I don't think it will be the end of the world....I just don't think any power large enough to fight a world war, thinks they would be better off afterwards.

Or in other words, just like with the last one, China, Russia and the US will all end up on the same side....the side of trying to put down whatever insane little extremist countries thinks a world war is a good idea.
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Has anyone given any consideration to the fact we've been fighting WWIII for quite awhile now? Some of you need to stop thinking 2 dimensionally with set piece armies.
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Does anyone know that Alaska and Hawaii were NOT states in WW2? Nor during Korea, for that matter. They were territories.

So they weren’t technically “our shores” any more that Puerto Rico or Guam is now.

On the other hand, you could argue “our shores” includes territories. And I’m sure we could have lots of fun doing it.

But let’s not get stupid about calling people out over semantics like that.
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If we insist on playing the semantics game, consider the bombardment of Ellwood, California. Or perhaps German U-boats sinking ships within a few miles of the East Coast.
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Not sure where or what will kick it off. Hard to predict that. The world certainly looks like a powder keg smoldering now.

India and Pakistan are close, but would that kick the rest of the world off? Stranger things have happened.
China has a problem with allies, she has none outside of those others that hate us more than they hate China.
Iran seems like it wants to start it up with its aggressive maneuvers in the Gulf.
Russia wants to be the Soviet Union again or close too it, they have huge issues funding projects without all those other nations bankrolling them by force.
Let's not forget Isreal and the Arab world.

That leaves us, the US - a lone superpower with allies that are fence-sitters and scared the to commit and unsure of us, that leaves us. Putting our neck out again in a spot we shouldn't (India or Saudia Arabia) be in.

Here is what I assume, we are due for a global conflict. What happens after this one is frightening will probably not leave this world in the same shape it started in.

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A well-done fact-based editorial, sorta long but worth the read. (about China)
https://warisboring.com/the-chinese-...-paper-dragon/

Here is one about Russia
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...er-tiger-14136
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If we insist on playing the semantics game, consider the bombardment of Ellwood, California. Or perhaps German U-boats sinking ships within a few miles of the East Coast.
Yeah...like I said, relatively nothing. Compare Elwood losing a catwalk and a building to, IIRC, less than 25 shells from a 5” gun, to places where actual battles were fought.



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Has anyone given any consideration to the fact we've been fighting WWIII for quite awhile now? Some of you need to stop thinking 2 dimensionally with set piece armies.
This isn’t war. This is the politics leading up to war.

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Oh, I don't think it will be the end of the world....I just don't think any power large enough to fight a world war, thinks they would be better off afterwards.

Or in other words, just like with the last one, China, Russia and the US will all end up on the same side....the side of trying to put down whatever insane little extremist countries thinks a world war is a good idea.
I see what you meant, and agree.
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Not sure where or what will kick it off. Hard to predict that. The world certainly looks like a powder keg smoldering now.....

...That leaves us, the US - a lone superpower with allies that are fence-sitters and scared the to commit and unsure of us, that leaves us. Putting our neck out again in a spot we shouldn't (India or Saudia Arabia) be in.

Here is what I assume, we are due for a global conflict. What happens after this one is frightening will probably not leave this world in the same shape it started in.
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Got to agree, I think you’re on the mark.

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It's all about the semantics. And as far as those "politics" are concerned, perhaps you should suggest to those who have been chasing after terrorists in some far flung craphole for the past 30 years or so that it's just politics, not a real war.
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