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Old 10-12-2019, 10:42 AM
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To the OP, you celebrate other people's misfortune? Nice. Many people in CA are not bat **** crazy liberals and do not vote for the foolishness we have here.

I am sure people that have a grid tie system know it goes down with the grid.

I have a grid tie system in the house I purchased near Yosemite for my retirement, (retiring next year). I have researched the subject (I am an electronic engineer) It is much more economically sound to have a backup generator to provide limited power to cover a short term power outage than to put in a battery backup solar system.

We have family here including two aging parents so I am committed to CA for some years yet. It would have to get pretty bad to make it worth selling out and moving.

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...I have a grid tie system in the house I purchased near Yosemite for my retirement, (retiring next year). I have researched the subject (I am an electronic engineer) It is much more economically sound to have a backup generator to provide limited power to cover a short term power outage than to put in a battery backup solar system..
Depends upon how frequently and how long the grid will be taken offline for these “planned” instances.

Doesn’t take into account “unexpected” outages either.

Might be worthwhile to accumulate equipment to flip to off grid, slowly over time. Then you’d be comfortable if a long term outage. Any number of man made or natural occurrences could cause such. This is Survivalistboards, after all.

Wouldn’t have as much concern over fuel stowage, refuel during events, attempted theft of gen etc. etc.

Feel for all freedom loving Americans trapped down there. Some simply outstanding country!
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Concerning grid tied solar panels, I wonder how much flexibility owners have. In this area solar panels are offered through state programs at a reduced rate. My question is, can home owners modify the system to add batteries and an inverter, or do the terms of the program prohibit this?

I do not have this system nor do I know what the options are. I'm just wondering.

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Fires burning currently in LA, 100,000 people evacuated!
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Just filled up at WA costco, $3.039/ gal. Amazing some are spending $1 less per gallon. State here is complaining they need more transportation money, one initiative is to drop car tabs to $30. This is an ongoing effort, it was dropped years ago but creep has set in.
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Concerning grid tied solar panels, I wonder how much flexibility owners have. In this area solar panels are offered through state programs at a reduced rate. My question is, can home owners modify the system to add batteries and an inverter, or do the terms of the program prohibit this?

I do not have this system nor do I know what the options are. I'm just wondering.

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NY has a law no OFF Grid. Though they have started letting the battery system to be put in when the Home Owner goes Solar. I have inlaws that got the NY Sub. System and lowers their Electric Bill by more than 70%. You can only have Solar that is 110% of your Average Bill for the year.
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Its not just batteries you need to keep your panels on if you have a grid-tie system... If all you have is a battery backup you will deplete your batteries and they will not recharge. There is a cutoff in solar panel systems so they wont feed extra power into the lines making them unsafe for workers. There is a special machine (I believe it was $6k plus batteries) that will allow batteries to be charged, then it will cut off the panels making panels useful during outage situations.

Having a non grid-tied system requires lots of batteries that need replaced often. Very expensive and a lot of waste.
My home is grid tied solar powered with the ability to both buy and sell to the grid or to power itself; it requires the correct type of inverter. Being totally off grid does require a huge battery bank with a small generator, very expensive. Instead I installed an grid-tie inverter that pulls about 90% of it's power from my panels and battery bank and uses the grid when it's cloudy for 2-3 days or I'm running the AC all night. The batteries require bi-monthly maintance (45 minutes) and have a 10 year warranty.

When the grid goes down (common for a few days at least once a year) we never even notice unless we look at the meters (which I do daily).

Please don't post stupid things unless you really understand what you're posting about.
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My home is grid tied solar powered with the ability to both buy and sell to the grid or to power itself; it requires the correct type of inverter. Being totally off grid does require a huge battery bank with a small generator, very expensive. Instead I installed an grid-tie inverter that pulls about 90% of it's power from my panels and battery bank and uses the grid when it's cloudy for 2-3 days or I'm running the AC all night. The batteries require bi-monthly maintance (45 minutes) and have a 10 year warranty.

When the grid goes down (common for a few days at least once a year) we never even notice unless we look at the meters (which I do daily).

Please don't post stupid things unless you really understand what you're posting about.
Seems that for just a few days use a year a backup generator would be much more cost effective then a battery bank.
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California is a train wreck. Not sure what's worse than the Government thinks it's doing well by its citizen base or that there are still people who believe they are doing what's best for them. Not sure how anyone can live there and be ok with it.
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Can't understand people who claim that Cali is some kind of socialist experiment. If a big corp can shut down power to millions and get away with it, that's capitalism baby. Same thing happened when Enron is wringing the state dry and bragging about how little old ladies were dropping like flies from heat stroke.
Maybe you could put together something that is intelligible and get back to us when you do post it.
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NY has a law no OFF Grid. Though they have started letting the battery system to be put in when the Home Owner goes Solar. I have inlaws that got the NY Sub. System and lowers their Electric Bill by more than 70%. You can only have Solar that is 110% of your Average Bill for the year.
I'm interested in this. What you are saying is over the entire state you cannot build off grid?
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You are a bit delusional. Maybe more than a bit.

California is not a socialist experiment. It's on the path of a full-blown Marxist plan.

All Marxist countries have shortages of just about everything because their systems are so inefficient. The Politburo in Sacramento cannot control, regulate, and tax everything, even though they try.

What you are describing is a taste of the future for California. Capitalism would solve the problems if they were allowed to do so. Marxism only creates more problems. Marxism cannot survive without control and support of brainwashed Proletariat.
Have you ever read anything written by Marx? I'm not attempting to denigrate your opinion, but Marx had a fairly well defined, although not very realistic, opinion of how an economy should operate. PG&E is an investor-owned utility with publicly traded stock. It is a subsidiary of the holding company PG&E. These descriptions definitely don't agree with Marxist economic theory. An investor-owned, publicly traded corporation that announced that it was filing for Ch11 bankruptcy as a way to deal with liabilities associated with setting fire to a big chunk of northern California does not describe a scenario that is associated with Marxist economic theory. That's a scenario that's straight out of an economics book written by Milton Friedman, although the crash of '08 invalidated many of Friedman's views.
Not every person from Cali is an ignorant Marxist proletariat, and it's unfair to claim that economic theory caused a fire anymore than it is to claim that it caused a flood.
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I'm interested in this. What you are saying is over the entire state you cannot build off grid?
When I looking into Solar and the Solar compaies I contacted all told me that.
I live on Long Island so it probably has to do with the Zoning Laws of Suffolk and Nasua Counties. Then you have NYC.
I just did a Google and it really isn't said but I would bet if you tried too they would make it impossible. With the zoning laws on Septic-Water Rights etc. They want you tied to the Utilities.
I will look into this further.
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I'm interested in this. What you are saying is over the entire state you cannot build off grid?
Looking further into this it is by County and its Zoning Laws. According to the NY State Controller, there is No Law now on the Books. They do not control what the separate Counties do with their Zoning Laws.
So what I was told by more than one Solar Company was wrong as far as the State is concerned. Though the further north you go in NY the Less Sun Days you will see. There are parts of NY that probably have less than what is called a True Sun-day is less than 100. So in that sense, unless you have some other form of creating energy you will not be off Grid.

On another NOTE in Suffolk County at Brookhaven National Laboratory is the Largest Solar array in the Eastern United States producing 32MW of Electricity.
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And they dont have the option of taking their own solar panels off line of the grid and connecting them directly to their homes? They should have already made those battery purchases just like the rest of us in the free part of the country had to. If they chose not to for whatever reason (trusting in the pharoah to save them) then it becomes what grandpa used to teach about idiots learning the hard way.

Prob is that many of those dingle berries are moving to Texas and bringing their ideals with them.
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Its not just batteries you need to keep your panels on if you have a grid-tie system... If all you have is a battery backup you will deplete your batteries and they will not recharge. There is a cutoff in solar panel systems so they wont feed extra power into the lines making them unsafe for workers. There is a special machine (I believe it was $6k plus batteries) that will allow batteries to be charged, then it will cut off the panels making panels useful during outage situations.

Having a non grid-tied system requires lots of batteries that need replaced often. Very expensive and a lot of waste.
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I have solar, grid-tied with battery backup installed several years ago. It supplies me with about 1/3 of my energy requirement on a daily basis (we have several computers that are usually on 24/7). When the power goes off, the inverter assembly switches and feeds the house with power, sometimes so fast we hardly notice. Since we live in the Seattle area suburbs I find that it is worth it to install solar. Two other things to note: When I was researching solar most companies will not touch battery backup/grid tied systems. 2)My batteries are these huge (120 lbs) sealed batteries. They have about 7-9 year life span and about $400 each (I have 4). My system will not pay for itself for a long time, but it helps keep the electric bill down and is one of the quietest electric generators it the neighborhood.
Would I do it again? Yes, if the system ever goes down, we might have power-hopefully. The research for solar powered systems and an emp is sketchy. Some say an emp will not affect the solar-electric system, others say it will. I was willing to take the chance the first time, I would do it again. (I really don't want to be caught without power if i can help it. I feel sorry for the conservatives in Cali, and i hope they all prepare for the next time)
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Looking further into this it is by County and its Zoning Laws. According to the NY State Controller, there is No Law now on the Books. They do not control what the separate Counties do with their Zoning Laws.
So what I was told by more than one Solar Company was wrong as far as the State is concerned. Though the further north you go in NY the Less Sun Days you will see. There are parts of NY that probably have less than what is called a True Sun-day is less than 100. So in that sense, unless you have some other form of creating energy you will not be off Grid.

On another NOTE in Suffolk County at Brookhaven National Laboratory is the Largest Solar array in the Eastern United States producing 32MW of Electricity.
Thanks for the clarification. I initially thought the entire state had some form of banning off grid homes.
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