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Old 10-10-2019, 10:22 PM
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Like watching a train wreck, and i am SOOOOOOO glad it is happening, as former Cali rezident, i fled years ago...

Millions of Californians may have just suffered an unprecedented, induced blackout by the state's largest (and bankrupt) utility, PG&E, just so it isn't blamed for starting even more fires causing it to go even more bankrupt... but at least the price of gas is soaring.

According to Fox5NY, citing figures from AAA and the Oil Price Information Service, the average price of a gallon of regular gasoline in Los Angeles County was $4.25 on Wednesday, 4.5 cents higher than one week ago, 57.6 cents more than one month ago and 37.1 cents greater than one year ago. It has also risen 86.4 cents since the start of the year. What is more troubling is that as California gas prices reached the highest level in the state since 2015, some Los Angeles area gas stations are charging more than $5 a gallon.

The gas price spike started last month after Saudi Arabia oil production facilities were attacked, and accelerated after three Los Angeles-area refineries slowed or halted production due to maintenance issues and no imported gasoline was available to make up for the shortfall, according to Jeffrey Spring, the Automobile Club of Southern California's corporate communications manager.

Only in California... 👀 pic.twitter.com/7BiLAF8oHv
ó Bill Melugin (@BillFOXLA) October 2, 2019

The shortage was made worse after local refineries cut back production of summer-blend gasoline in anticipation of switching to selling the winter blend beginning Nov. 1.

But wait, there's more: America's most "environmentally conscious" state got a harsh lesson in electrical engineering when many of the tens of thousands of people hit by this week's blackout learned the hard way the systems don't keep the lights on during a power outage.

That, as Bloomberg reports, is because most panels are designed to supply power to the grid, not directly to houses. During the heat of the day, solar systems generate more juice than a home can handle. However, they donít produce power at all at night. So systems are tied into the grid, and the vast majority arenít working this week as PG&E cut power to much of Northern California to prevent wildfires.

Of course, the only way for most solar panels to work during a blackout is pairing them with batteries, however as Tesla has found out the hard way, that market is just starting to take off and even so it's having a very difficult time making headway. The largest U.S. rooftop solar company, Sunrun, said hundreds of its customers are making it through the blackouts with batteries. Alas, the total number of those affected - and without power - is in the hundreds of thousands.

"Itís the perfect combination for getting through these shutdowns," Sunrun Chairman Ed Fenster said in an interview. He expects battery sales to boom in the wake of the outages.

For those wondering if their appliances can work of the power generated by a Tesla, the answer is no, at least without special equipment. Incidentally, without electricity, a Tesla itself won't run. So those Californians who still have "uncool" internal combustion engines are in luck; they just may have to pay nearly $6 per gallon soon to fill up.


**** em, they deserve everything that's happening...

I am out of ****s...

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/...ar-panels-dont
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:29 AM
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Bad... gas in NY by me is as low as $2.39, so we can't kick. Now some fookery is going on with an Iranian oil tanker off Saudi Arabia, another 1.5% added to a barrel of oil overnight.

What an absolute plummet into a turd-world nation Commiefornia has come to in a short time.
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Here in wa. state im paying $3.89 a gallon for reg.
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Here in wa. state im paying $3.89 a gallon for reg.
$2.899 filled yesterday at Fred Myer, Southern Oregon.

Costco would have been cheaper, usually $.10/pg less, but wasnít near our errands run.

Would be even cheaper still if the Politicians up in Salem would let us fill our own. Far quicker & more efficient as well...sigh.
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Gas prices up, California residents can't afford to escape, lol. Gotta keep dem taxpayers from fleeing so fast.

All kidding aside...

Seeing on another thread about how much of the state is actually red, not blue like I used to think (surprised!), I do feel sorry for the victims who did not participate in the trainwreck that California has become.
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KALIFORNANS are SSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO lucky to live in that golden state that they will accept any burden to be among those who can "brag" and say "I live in California...aren't I special?
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$2.899 filled yesterday at Fred Myer, Southern Oregon.

Costco would have been cheaper, usually $.10/pg less, but wasnít near our errands run.

Would be even cheaper still if the Politicians up in Salem would let us fill our own. Far quicker & more efficient as well...sigh.
Interesting oregon has gas so much cheaper than washington. Washington refines and ships like 90% of the gas oregon uses.
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Gas prices up, California residents can't afford to escape, lol. Gotta keep dem taxpayers from fleeing so fast.

All kidding aside...

Seeing on another thread about how much of the state is actually red, not blue like I used to think (surprised!), I do feel sorry for the victims who did not participate in the trainwreck that California has become.
Similar geographic representation (or more precisely lack thereof) in both WA & OR. Blue primarily along the sliver of the I5, the remaining IMMENSE geographic portions of the states Red.

Population density is also highest along that sliver, mostly rats in a cage voting for more ďfreeĒ stuff (programs), without a care knowing NOTHING is free...
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How many who have grid tied solar were actually surprised it didn't power their home when the power was out?

For most people who have solar array large enough to offset their power bill it is probably one of the top 3-5 most expensive things they ever bought. I would expect most of them would do some due diligence before getting solar to realize it would stop working when the grid went down. On the bright side, they already have the panels, now they need to look into charge controllers, batteries and an inverter.

A few days without power and threats of more similar events in the near future may be a good way to get people to take small steps to be more prepared for future power outages.

A couple small steps like:
-15 gallons of water per person
-A half tank or more of fuel in each vehicle
-A small generator to power the fridge and a few lights.
-Flashlights and batteries.
-5 gallons of gas
-4 days of food
-A non electric way to cook the food(and knowledge to cook your own food)
would go a long ways from making a 3 day power outage go from a horrible event to just a minor dissruption.

All of that could be done(including buying a 2000 watt generator) for under $300. And if PG&E plans to continue doing power cuts every time the wind blows that would be $300 well spent.
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KALIFORNANS are SSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO lucky to live in that golden state that they will accept any burden to be among those who can "brag" and say "I live in California...aren't I special?

I would think that by now, more and more of them may actually be embarrassed by the clown/freak show going on in their state. My uncle lives there and is about to vent his spleen or have a stroke every time he talks to me about the state of affairs in California. He says that almost everyone he knows feels the same way (and almost everyone they know feels accordingly).

He is a livid conservative who thinks that he is too old to relocate now... (I know if I lived there, I would move out, no matter how old I was.)

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Interesting oregon has gas so much cheaper than washington. Washington refines and ships like 90% of the gas oregon uses.
By far the biggest factor in the cost of a gallon of gasoline in the US is taxes...federal, state and local.

Another significant factor is the blends mandated by the EPA as gasoline additives. Somebody mentioned them above. Large cities typically have different blends than rural areas. It's supposed to be about pollution reduction. So it's entirely possible that the entire state of Oregon uses cheaper blends than most of California.
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The difference in taxes is about a dime a gallon. This is between washington and oregon.
California does have a different gas formulation that has been effective at reducing air pollution, mainly in the la san diego region. Costs about a dime a gallon more to produce. Their gas taxes also are high. Because they use a special blend they can't just ship in more.
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Can't understand people who claim that Cali is some kind of socialist experiment. If a big corp can shut down power to millions and get away with it, that's capitalism baby. Same thing happened when Enron is wringing the state dry and bragging about how little old ladies were dropping like flies from heat stroke.
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ya you got what you voted for live with it.
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Taxes are significant but not the highest factor. Especially compared to some other countries.
Here's a graph of what the cost breakdown of gasoline is.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/6...ce-by-expense/
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Its not just batteries you need to keep your panels on if you have a grid-tie system... If all you have is a battery backup you will deplete your batteries and they will not recharge. There is a cutoff in solar panel systems so they wont feed extra power into the lines making them unsafe for workers. There is a special machine (I believe it was $6k plus batteries) that will allow batteries to be charged, then it will cut off the panels making panels useful during outage situations.

Having a non grid-tied system requires lots of batteries that need replaced often. Very expensive and a lot of waste.
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Can't understand people who claim that Cali is some kind of socialist experiment. If a big corp can shut down power to millions and get away with it, that's capitalism baby. Same thing happened when Enron is wringing the state dry and bragging about how little old ladies were dropping like flies from heat stroke.
You are a bit delusional. Maybe more than a bit.

California is not a socialist experiment. It's on the path of a full-blown Marxist plan.

All Marxist countries have shortages of just about everything because their systems are so inefficient. The Politburo in Sacramento cannot control, regulate, and tax everything, even though they try.

What you are describing is a taste of the future for California. Capitalism would solve the problems if they were allowed to do so. Marxism only creates more problems. Marxism cannot survive without control and support of brainwashed Proletariat.
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$2.24 a gallon here
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$2.32 a gallon for E10 here...$0.40 more a gallon for ethanol free.
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$2.07 here E-10 gas
$2.30 for 100% gas
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