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Old 10-06-2019, 07:21 PM
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In the event of a major disaster troops can be used domestically. When hurricane Andrew hit the 82nd/101st went to Miami to help out.
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An Act cannot supersede the Constitution.
And it doesnít.

US Constitution doesnít levy any more restriction on USMC than say the national endowment for the arts. Posse comitatus places some limitation ( with exceptions) on civil domestic law enforcement. Assuming federal appropriation law donít cause any farther restrictions, itís perfectly legal to have the USMC teach midnight basketball or pick up trash on the side of the road.

If you read the order, it lays out procedures (and options) for a future use of USMC to support civil authorities. Itís hard to feel threatened that they have a written procedure for this.
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The Posse Comitatus Act and subsequent legislation specifically prohibit the use of the Army, Air Force, Navy and Marines to enforce the domestic laws of the United States except when expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress.

There is no prohibition on any/all armed services to be utilized in an emergency response/supportive role on US soil at any time.
Which they clearly ignored that very clear prohibition at Waco
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Which they clearly ignored that very clear prohibition at Waco
Did they? I honestly don’t know.

Were they National Guard perhaps?

Were they regular US armed forces, yet truly & duly deputized by local LE, mayhaps?

Dunno.

Would be truly interested in specifics as to violation of constitutionality as it pertains to US military being utilized as LE in the example. Not the flagrant unconstitutionality of the overall Waco “incident” in general.
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Wonder if this has anything to do with a major earthquake prediction for San Francisco. Whatever, the troops can only be used in a support role..
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From what I've been told this happens every year and is routine. Someone is blowing things way out of proportion.

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Did they? I honestly donít know.

Were they National Guard perhaps?

Were they regular US armed forces, yet truly & duly deputized by local LE, mayhaps?

Dunno.

Would be truly interested in specifics as to violation of constitutionality as it pertains to US military being utilized as LE in the example. Not the flagrant unconstitutionality of the overall Waco ďincidentĒ in general.
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According to a report by the U.S. Department of the Treasury, the list of military personnel and equipment used at Waco included: 15 active-duty military personnel, 13 Texas National Guard personnel, nine Bradley fighting vehicles, five combat-engineer vehicles, one tank-retrieval vehicle and two M1A1 Abrams tanks. Additionally, Fort Hood reportedly was used for much of the training for the bloody attack on the Davidians and their children.
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My gut tells me that the impending emergency, might be the mass indictments of some high level dems, FBI, CIA, NSA folks, at least I can hope and pray why they are being called up. Doomsday for the deep state coup, let us pray. Q
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My gut tells me that the impending emergency, might be the mass indictments of some high level dems, FBI, CIA, NSA folks, at least I can hope and pray why they are being called up. Doomsday for the deep state coup, let us pray. Q
I hold that hope, too. I wish that we could speed up the results of the Barr, Durham and Horowitz investigations so we can know if it will finally result in some convictions. And hopefully put a stop to the ridiculous charade the Left has been engaging in.
On the military stuff, I won't hold my breath. These things often turn out to be routine operations.
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Active and reserve SCAMP Marines have been helping with border security for many years.

So long as they don't shoot....no issues.
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From what I've been told this happens every year and is routine. Someone is blowing things way out of proportion.

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Isn't that the sole purpose of the internet?
It seems to be it's major use.
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Yes... this is one link of many

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/clark.htm

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According to a report by the U.S. Department of the Treasury, the list of military personnel and equipment used at Waco included: 15 active-duty military personnel, 13 Texas National Guard personnel, nine Bradley fighting vehicles, five combat-engineer vehicles, one tank-retrieval vehicle and two M1A1 Abrams tanks. Additionally, Fort Hood reportedly was used for much of the training for the bloody attack on the Davidians and their children.
From your snippet, the only concern would be the "15 active-duty military personnel".

Guardsmen (& women), DO NOT fall under Posse Comitatus. AFAIK. As they may be called up & utilized at the state level by the Governor of said state.

Nor does equipment.

Nor does training environ, base of operations etc etc.

-Now again, perhaps those "15 active duty military personnel" were either deputized truly & duly, or they were SOLELY in a supportive role.

Again, honestly don't know.

Would certainly be interested to learn tho.
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You people are so stupid about what goes on! The order was given to Protect the President incase of a coup by the Democratic party to take over the White House and Presidency. If you can't see that happening, you need to get your heads outta your ass and get a pair of glasses! They are ordered to Protect the President from ALL enemies, Foreign or Domestic, as well as protecting the Constitution of the United States!
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You people are so stupid about what goes on! The order was given to Protect the President incase of a coup by the Democratic party to take over the White House and Presidency. If you can't see that happening, you need to get your heads outta your ass and get a pair of glasses! They are ordered to Protect the President from ALL enemies, Foreign or Domestic, as well as protecting the Constitution of the United States!
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My suggestion would be for you to calm down.......
I'm totally chilled man, how about you?
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You people are so stupid about what goes on! The order was given to Protect the President incase of a coup by the Democratic party to take over the White House and Presidency. If you can't see that happening, you need to get your heads outta your ass and get a pair of glasses! They are ordered to Protect the President from ALL enemies, Foreign or Domestic, as well as protecting the Constitution of the United States!
where in the oath does it state "protect the president"?

"I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
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From your snippet, the only concern would be the "15 active-duty military personnel".

Guardsmen (& women), DO NOT fall under Posse Comitatus. AFAIK. As they may be called up & utilized at the state level by the Governor of said state.

Nor does equipment.

Nor does training environ, base of operations etc etc.

-Now again, perhaps those "15 active duty military personnel" were either deputized truly & duly, or they were SOLELY in a supportive role.

Again, honestly don't know.

Would certainly be interested to learn tho.
I think it's quite clear, both military & military equipment was used on US soil against US Citizens, the rest IMO is moot. I'm sure some personnel were used (such as driving the tanks etc. ) NO way was it solely in a "support role" IMHO
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No one was activated. This was simply an updating of the reference used in case there was an activation. Something that happens every few years and is just part of normal housekeeping for the military.

This in all likelihood is simply due to the Marine Corps getting a new Commandant which is a good time to update/revise standing orders before he puts his John Hancock to them.
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I think it's quite clear, both military & military equipment was used on US soil against US Citizens, the rest IMO is moot. I'm sure some personnel were used (such as driving the tanks etc. ) NO way was it solely in a "support role" IMHO
What's clear is that you don't understand what the Posse Comitatus Act entails.

That bring said, I think Waco was totally uncalled for and put on as a show of force to keep the masses subdued.
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