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Old 10-18-2019, 07:25 AM
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That's a strange way of saying that YOU can't back up YOUR claim.

Anyone with any knowledge of the raw numbers automatically knows that what you claimed above is false. You don't seem interested in learning the truth, however, just reinforcing your own biases and dropping fallacies in this thread.

Still waiting for third-party, credible proof (and thread relevance) for these claims:

Actually, yours is the strange way of backing up your claim which you still haven't done.
I know why if course, because your data is false.
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Actually, yours is the strange way of backing up your claim which you still haven't done.
I know why if course, because your data is false.
What claim? I haven't made a claim. Are you referring to me saying that NZ is one of the safest places in the world? http://worldpopulationreview.com/cou...-in-the-world/

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New Zealand was ranked as the second safest country in the world in 2019 with a peace index of 1.221, keeping its spot from the report released in 2018.
What false data? You don't even know what you are posting about at this point. You're just "talking" in circles to hide the fact that you threw out a fallacy and can't support it.

You made this claim:

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When you eliminate Chicago, Baltimore, and a few others, the USA safety ranking soars.
So prove it. Cite the name of the cities you are referring to, post the violent crime rate for each city in regards to the USA's world ranking, and then show us how the USA's "safety ranking soars" when you remove those cities from the list.
Your claim, your burden of proof.

Here, I help you get started:
https://www.nationmaster.com/country...d-States/Crime
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Old 10-18-2019, 10:26 AM
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The NRA ILA has an article from 8/8/2016 titled 'More Guns, Less Crime'.
After reading the facts in the article, there is an excel spreadsheet that details rates of felonies and a plethora of additional details.
I don't recommend libs read this because facts and reality are contrary to their usual emotional blather; I doubt one could make it through the information without emotional trauma.
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The NRA ILA has an article from 8/8/2016 titled 'More Guns, Less Crime'.
After reading the facts in the article, there is an excel spreadsheet that details rates of felonies and a plethora of additional details.
I don't recommend libs read this because facts and reality are contrary to their usual emotional blather; I doubt one could make it through the information without emotional trauma.
That has nothing to do with what you stated. So put another way, you don't have anything and can't support your statements. Shocker.

I'm not a liberal, so save that weak sauce. That statement is meaningless to me and a copout....The fact that you are still pushing Lott is precious, too.

What happened to this quote you posted:
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Mark Twain; ' There are three kinds of lies; lies, damned lies and statistics'.
Sooo...stats, that support your beliefs are all that you believe. I see. There's a surprise.

Now, I'm just going to sit back and laugh and watch Ace thank every post and still avoid supporting his claim (just like you).
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Old 10-18-2019, 02:57 PM
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Please folks , do not feed the trolls.......
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Not really. It is illegal over here.
So what you're saying is that Aussie criminals obey the law?

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What does that story have to do with my statement?
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Not really. It is illegal over here.
So what you're saying is that Aussie criminals obey the law?

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What does that story have to do with my statement?
It is legal for police to kick your door in and kill you.

It is a lot less legal for them to do it here.

And that is a very good example of how a government controls a population. By kicking doors in and killing people they don't like.
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It is legal for police to kick your door in and kill you.

It is a lot less legal for them to do it here.
I really have to ask this: How long have you ever lived in the United States?

I'm guessing that you haven't even been here for a weekend, because you really don't have a clue, as you do little more than parrot the far left media.

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And that is a very good example of how a government controls a population. By kicking doors in and killing people they don't like.
By that standard, it must also mean that rapists control the population in Australia. It also must mean that you condone such actions.
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It is legal for police to kick your door in and kill you.

It is a lot less legal for them to do it here.

And that is a very good example of how a government controls a population. By kicking doors in and killing people they don't like.

Keep telling yourself that and eventually you will believe it or at least be comfortable with the lie. Might help if you click your heels together three times.
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NZ is, hands down, way safer than the US and that is just the fact of the matter.

After decades of first-hand experience living in both countries, I would say that this is 100% true.
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After decades of first-hand experience of living in both countries, I would say that this is 100% the case.
Good to know that the stats bear that out, thanks. I've provided overwhelming proof that this is the case, but it is still nice to hear it from someone with real world experience.
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Please stop feeding the hot sauce troll.
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NZ is, hands down, way safer than the US and that is just the fact of the matter. No amount of juking the stats will change that.
This is the fallacy gun grabbers always try to use, comparing apples to oranges.

NZ is not the US...in size, in culture and in laws.



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NZ is not the US...in size, in culture and in laws.


Thank God it is not.
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After decades of first-hand experience living in both countries, I would say that this is 100% true.
I'm no longer in the US either. Those stating that New Zealand is safer are correct. Those who are claiming apples to oranges comparisons do not understand the metrics.
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I am sure one is gonna be safer on a smaller island nation with strictly controlled borders. But the demographics of the world are rapidly changing and if open borders crowd in any of those countries keep on the course they are on It can change real fast. The U,S, has always had a higher level of imigration multicultursim and industrialization than most other nations. The combination of those things can lead to cycles of high and low violence due to the cycles of job loss and gain and economic cycles. Seems like high levels of poverty always breed violence in industrialized nations that are not under control of dictators. Guns are just tools used to cope with the changes.
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Please stop feeding the hot sauce troll.
What does this have to do with New Zealand? Are you the resident incel?
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The more government control is imposed on a society the safer it becomes. It's simple if you want maximum safety turn over control of every aspect of your life to the government and they will keep you safe. Apparently NZ is a really safe place...LOL
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The more government control is imposed on a society the safer it becomes. It's simple if you want maximum safety turn over control of every aspect of your life to the government and they will keep you safe. Apparently NZ is a really safe place...LOL
Exept the less safe a country is the more the government needs to exercise authority.

The slums in Brazil are not safe. And the police send in kill squads.

And that is justified by the lack of safety.

If you want maximum government control go to a country that isn't very safe at all.
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I am sure one is gonna be safer on a smaller island nation with strictly controlled borders. But the demographics of the world are rapidly changing and if open borders crowd in any of those countries keep on the course they are on It can change real fast. The U,S, has always had a higher level of imigration multicultursim and industrialization than most other nations. The combination of those things can lead to cycles of high and low violence due to the cycles of job loss and gain and economic cycles. Seems like high levels of poverty always breed violence in industrialized nations that are not under control of dictators. Guns are just tools used to cope with the changes.
But people argue that guns make countries safe. Or free or something.

And I don't think there is evidence they do either.
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