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Old 09-23-2019, 01:20 PM
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Guess that one went right over your head.


Now, that said, how many crows would a farmer have to kill to save 1% of their crop?
You didnít get the joke so I suppose you want to be serious, Iím wondering how many nuts a crow can eat?
you do know that crows are a serious problem for farmers right? they do millions of dollars worth of damage every year and it's a pretty big part of the pest removal business, the guys that are good can shoot hundreds in a day. just like crop damage permits for deer.

read up a bit--there was a good article in last months F&S

found it: https://www.fieldandstream.com/the-c...d-for-murders/
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Old 09-23-2019, 01:28 PM
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Guess that one went right over your head.
Guess your jokes suck.

BTW, it's not just what they eat, but what they ruin, as well.
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Guess that one went right over your head.


Now, that said, how many crows would a farmer have to kill to save 1% of their crop?
You didn’t get the joke so I suppose you want to be serious, I’m wondering how many nuts a crow can eat?
you do know that crows are a serious problem for farmers right? they do millions of dollars worth of damage every year and it's a pretty big part of the pest removal business, the guys that are good can shoot hundreds in a day. just like crop damage permits for deer.

read up a bit--there was a good article in last months F&S

found it: https://www.fieldandstream.com/the-c...d-for-murders/
Sweet corn fields. I grew up shooting deer in back fields to save a field. Butcher that night, follow the blood trails Saturday morning, butcher the rest. The local churches got most of the cuts for the old people and poor folks with kids. 1970s rural Ohio. No permits, phone call to a relative then 00 buck in 12 gauges. Slugs were pricey. .22s for crows. They hate owls, grackles hate crows.
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Guess your jokes suck.

BTW, it's not just what they eat, but what they ruin, as well.
Really?
Someone on this forum cannot resist telling everyone how they suck for shooting paper and how he can kill off the entire population or crows and groundhogs in his state in one weekend...
Ring a bell?
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Old 09-23-2019, 01:53 PM
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you do know that crows are a serious problem for farmers right? they do millions of dollars worth of damage every year and it's a pretty big part of the pest removal business, the guys that are good can shoot hundreds in a day. just like crop damage permits for deer.

read up a bit--there was a good article in last months F&S

found it: https://www.fieldandstream.com/the-c...d-for-murders/
I was just poking a little fun at someone here...

But since itís soooo serious I seriously apologize to all the starving farmers who cannot pay their bills due to birds.

Now,
How much money is a nut and berry farmer saving for every bird killed I wonder?
$5?
$10?
$50?
More?
And to that Iím being serious, how many birds does one need to kill to ďsaveĒ their crop?

I donít really care about the farmer or the bird, Iíd just like to see some actual data showing a ratio of birds killed vs crop saved.
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BTW, it's not just what they eat, but what they ruin, as well.
Really?
Someone on this forum cannot resist telling everyone how they suck for shooting paper and how he can kill off the entire population or crows and groundhogs in his state in one weekend...
Ring a bell?
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Wow. Better than me by “this much”. Are we naming this shooting god or are the rest of us amateurs guessing the identity of this superhero? Inquiring minds want to know.....
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If people are worried, it's easier to plant food for the species then complain that someone else doesn't for you. Wildflowers grow almost anywhere. My yard has berms full of wildflowers, butterflies, birds, bees, and bumblebees. Each year flocks of birds come pick off the un-edible fruit from the ornamental trees that decorate the front yard as they pass through on migration.

As always, it's someone else's fault except the people in cities that pave over the world and wonder where nature went.

We're right on the edges of the Central and Mississippi Flyways so we get a lot of ducks, geese, sandhill cranes, and occasional whooping cranes. They like the corn that's on the ground after harvest. So even the farmers are feeding them.
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Really?
Someone on this forum cannot resist telling everyone how they suck for shooting paper and how he can kill off the entire population or crows and groundhogs in his state in one weekend...
Ring a bell?
Nope. No bells.

Again....if you have to explain it...it's a sucky joke, or a poor attempt at whatever you are trying to do.

Come on, fill us in on your point, tell us what the freak you are saying, so we can all go, oh, yeah....I see it now.
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Sounded like a facetious answer but in the off chance you were serious, hereís my personal take (I was blasting them this weekend for fun!):

Realistically itís the tons of pesticides used on crops going up the food chain. Birds are just past grasshoppers. As for farmers gunning them, because (a) itís not about the tilled crops and (b) we like our berries (strawberries, blackberries, mulberries) as do the birds. Nets only do so much and we ALL keep semi-feral barn cats because they kill for pleasure alone and hate petting: they kill tons of birds, rodents, sometimes possums. I personally like using my old 870 with target loads on starlings (2 boxes this weekend). Good dense spread and kill ratio on flocks. Love grackles, despise starlings.

I kill a lot of critters this time of year, every year. Starlings and coyotes I kill purely for fun.
YOU KILL just for fun, To bad the critters you kill for fun cant shoot back, Straight to ignore.
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I grew up in an agricultural district. I remember the sky with cloud sized swarms of birds over fields. Driving along roads that flushed quail by the hundreds. Birds of prey everywhere along power lines and poles. Pheasants in the river marshes just watching us float. Ducks that swam away from us in the dozens..... AND MORE

The small local aggies were bought out and pooled together by corporations. They have all been poisoned away. Now trying you will be lucky to spot 2 dozen a day. This includes the beaver rabbits turtles fish and the rest of the food chain down by over 90%.

The ranchers put out poison bait traps everywhere... to kill the squirrels.. on the same bait stand they claimed the they were feeding the birds to keep them out of fields. but the PVC stands had the same blue stains in the bird feeders as the squirrel baits.

I took pictures, I sent them to the local sheriff, the news papers, the Audubon Society and others. Nothing was ever done... 20 plus years later it is still going on.

I know excatly where the birds went.
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Fire ants are doing great damage to ground nesting birds.
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Notice fewer bugs killed by windshields and caught under windshield wipers than when you were a kid? Or fewer bugs elsewhere during the summer-- fewer fireflies and mosquitoes?

Less food for birds.
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Guess that one went right over your head.


Now, that said, how many crows would a farmer have to kill to save 1% of their crop?
You didnít get the joke so I suppose you want to be serious, Iím wondering how many nuts a crow can eat?
Well it's obvious who's NOT growing food.


...let me give you a similar example:

Fly's are really bad here, but I started putting out traps EARLY. As in before I saw any..... Population dropped DRASTICALLY.

Last year I was late, and never got ahead of the curve. They were terrible again.


Same thing happens with rabbit and coyote, the more you feed, the more they breed.

Kill the pest before it breeds, and you have a DRASTIC impact for years to come.

It's not about the immediate.
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Nope. No bells.

Again....if you have to explain it...it's a sucky joke, or a poor attempt at whatever you are trying to do.

Come on, fill us in on your point, tell us what the freak you are saying, so we can all go, oh, yeah....I see it now.
He doesn't need to explain it.

Dusty Bones....
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There are better ways to scare off birds than shooting them. Killing is not always the answer.

Crows are much too smart for the average dumb redneck. You are going to have your work cut out. Please record it, so we can laugh at your misfortune.
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The problem is with mankind... not with every other animal on the planet. We're the only species that kills everything just to kill. And we're the only species that will happily extinct a species in order to make a few bucks. They say we're the most intelligent species to ever live on earth. I question the intelligence of the person that made that statement.
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Seriously? I mean...really? THAT'S your "opinion"?

Crows can impact nut trees at 20-25% loss. NY state lost $24 million in fruit trees to birds in one year.

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You're going to try to convince us that NY is short on nuts?? There is at least one large/cesspool city and one capital that are overflowing.
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Well it's obvious who's NOT growing food.


...let me give you a similar example:

Fly's are really bad here, but I started putting out traps EARLY. As in before I saw any..... Population dropped DRASTICALLY.

Last year I was late, and never got ahead of the curve. They were terrible again.


Same thing happens with rabbit and coyote, the more you feed, the more they breed.

Kill the pest before it breeds, and you have a DRASTIC impact for years to come.

It's not about the immediate.
Youíre sort of right.
I donít grow food any any large scale, Iím a small townie after all.
I did have a plan in the works to buy some property close to my home but was lucky enough to get my good faith money back when it was obvious I wouldnít have the OT coming to continue those luxury payments, but I donít want to ďwhineĒ about that here, Iím just saying I did have a plan.

So Iím now doing what Iíve always done, used raised beds and some pots to grow what I can on my town lot.
And yes, I do have a rabbit problem but not a bird problem.
The rabbits I trap because of local ordinances and the neighbors countering my surveillance system with their own so I cannot shoot them.
I take them to a farm near the gamelands and drop them there (with the landowners permission).

Even when my grandfather had his 3 acre garden the birds were easily scared away by using pie tins and fake owls and a couple fake snakes.
We netted the Cherry ďbushesĒ.
My grandfather killed every pest he could, but for some reason birds just didnít seem to be a problem, and Iím talking 30+ years ago.

Now rats in the chicken coop, I got .25 for each one I killed with the 20ga double.

See I donít have a problem killing pests, but Iím just not convinced that a farmer is really saving their crop by killing a handful of birds since the farmer cannot sit there all day.
The local berry farm uses multiple propane cannons set to go off randomly and they move them around the place.
They seem to do a decent job, I donít think I can recall seeing birds while picking.

Imo the benefit of the birds outweighs the couple bucks saved by the farmer.
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Ecosystem components are interrelated. Most natural occurrences are the effect of multiple influences. Habitat loss, invasive species, pollution, etc.. Life survived the KT extinction, it will survive us. The detrimental things we do will eventually bring our numbers back in line with what populations of apex species should be. Life on earth is as brutal as it is beautiful. Always has been. If environmentalists really cared, they'd be focusing on population growth which in the USA boils down to immigration.
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One additional factor may be assisting in the decline of the bird population. As I drive across eastern Colorado, New Mexico, and Texas (which I do more frequently than I desire to), I have noticed the exponential increase in the “forests” of giant electric wind turbines scattered across the Great Planes. Don’t you wonder how many of our feathered friends have met their demise colliding with the blades of those giant propellers? Do you think their might be a direct correlation between the increase of such “Green” devices and the decline of the bird population? Just askin.
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