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Old 09-23-2019, 02:02 AM
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Science (peer-reviewed journal) published an article claiming the bird population in North America is down 29 percent in the last 48 years. Link is to the Abstract. You have to have AAAS membership or academic access to read the whole original article (access information appears when View Full Text button clicked)

https://science.sciencemag.org/conte...cience.aaw1313

Science 20 Sep 2019:
Vol. 365, Issue 6459, pp. 1228-1229
DOI: 10.1126/science.365.6459.1228

My first thought when I read this was maybe at least partly related to the loss of pollinators. Can't get to the full text until sometime Tuesday

In any case, fewer birds means less food for all predators. If we're lucky, though, maybe a reduction bird flu
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Fewer turtles salamanders bullfrogs fireflies and butterflies as well.
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UN science report warns of fewer bees, other pollinators
The trouble is the report can't point to a single villain. Among the culprits: the way farming has changed so there's not enough diversity and wild flowers for pollinators to use as food; pesticide use, including a controversial one, neonicotinoid, that attacks the nervous system; habitat loss to cities; disease, parasites and pathogens; and global warming.

"There are relatively simple, relatively inexpensive mechanisms for turning the trend around for native pollinators," said David Inouye of the University of Maryland, a co-author of a couple chapters in the report.

One of the biggest problems, especially in the United States, is that giant swaths of farmland are devoted to just one crop, and wildflowers are disappearing, Potts and others said. Wild pollinators especially do well on grasslands, which are usually more than just grass, and 97 percent of Europe's grasslands have disappeared since World War II, Potts said.

Herbicides kill off weeds, which are useful for wild pollinators, the report added.

England has lost two species of wild bumblebees to extinction and the U.S. has lost one, Inouye said
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The culprit is domestic cats. With some issues with change of habitat and also glass windows.
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Farmers and hobbyists need to stop blasting all the tweety birds with their Tac-14ís and let the birds live.

I never understood how a farmer can think that shooting a few birds is going to save them money.
They are probably wasting more in time and ammo than the birds cost them.

Yeah, I know that some farmers blasting some birds isnít really the cause for a decline in birds but it canít be helping their crops in the big picture so why bother?
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The culprit is domestic cats. With some issues with change of habitat and also glass windows.
I totally agree. The feral domestic cat population has exploded in my city. They are out of control.
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See!?! See what Trump is doing to our environment!?!
You know it's only a matter of time for the libtards, TDS afflicted to somehow tie in the president to this.
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See!?! See what Trump is doing to our environment!?!
You know it's only a matter of time for the libtards, TDS afflicted to somehow tie in the president to this.
They already have tied Trump to every perceived environmental crisis because he is not toeing the global warming agenda.
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I Heart Birds
Assuming it is true, and it does make sense, it is way below average
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I will take the blame for lowering the local dove count this time of year.
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I'd like to see their data and how they got it. I do know that the migratory patterns have changed drastically ever since the large earth shift. The magnetic fields move, the migratory patterns change. Birds have built in GPS (scientists believe they can actually see magnetism), so if the magnetism changes, so does their migration.

The rest of the animals, if it's true, is because of chemicals (fertilizers) and encroachment.

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Chemtrails are killing the birds.
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Chemtrails are killing the birds.

At least there is some plausibility in that... we know chemtrails are real.
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Perfectly natural, they just migrated to the underside of the flat earth.
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Farmers and hobbyists need to stop blasting all the tweety birds with their Tac-14’s and let the birds live.

I never understood how a farmer can think that shooting a few birds is going to save them money.
They are probably wasting more in time and ammo than the birds cost them.
Seriously? I mean...really? THAT'S your "opinion"?

Crows can impact nut trees at 20-25% loss. NY state lost $24 million in fruit trees to birds in one year.

So in the real world, you probably have NO idea, then, and are wasting our time posting your FUD?
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I grew up in the 50,s and 60,s back in pittsburgh, back then the steel mills would blow a siren an hour befor they blew out the blast fernace so that the women could take their clothes off the line outside so they didnt get covered in ash, even back then there were lots of birds always millions on the telephone lines, now very few compared to back then even with all the polution, There is definetly something wrong? JMO
I do believe it is in part the way the big commercial farms are planted and the chem,s used and all the disease and parasites from asian countries. JMO
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Seriously? I mean...really? THAT'S your "opinion"?

Crows can impact nut trees at 20-25% loss. NY state lost $24 million in fruit trees to birds in one year.

So in the real world, you are probably have NO idea, then, and are wasting our time posting your FUD?
Guess that one went right over your head.


Now, that said, how many crows would a farmer have to kill to save 1% of their crop?
You didn’t get the joke so I suppose you want to be serious, I’m wondering how many nuts a crow can eat?
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Remember when you could see bird migrations go on for miles in the late summer? It would take half an hour for them to all go by. Now you're lucky to see a small flock. I know the numbers of bees and butterflies are down from even a few years back.

Plant all the insect friendly plants you can. they need every drop of food.
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Farmers and hobbyists need to stop blasting all the tweety birds with their Tac-14’s and let the birds live.

I never understood how a farmer can think that shooting a few birds is going to save them money.
They are probably wasting more in time and ammo than the birds cost them.

Yeah, I know that some farmers blasting some birds isn’t really the cause for a decline in birds but it can’t be helping their crops in the big picture so why bother?
Sounded like a facetious answer but in the off chance you were serious, here’s my personal take (I was blasting them this weekend for fun!):

Realistically it’s the tons of pesticides used on crops going up the food chain. Birds are just past grasshoppers. As for farmers gunning them, because (a) it’s not about the tilled crops and (b) we like our berries (strawberries, blackberries, mulberries) as do the birds. Nets only do so much and we ALL keep semi-feral barn cats because they kill for pleasure alone and hate petting: they kill tons of birds, rodents, sometimes possums. I personally like using my old 870 with target loads on starlings (2 boxes this weekend). Good dense spread and kill ratio on flocks. Love grackles, despise starlings.

I kill a lot of critters this time of year, every year. Starlings and coyotes I kill purely for fun.
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