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Old 09-15-2019, 05:36 PM
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A week ago I watched a very realistic movie about the Yellowstone super volcano. Realistic but still it was a movie. But today on TV I watched an hour long documentary produced by the Smithsonian Institute and I wondered if I am prepared for such a disaster. Scientists say that when, not if, it occurs it will be 1000 times the size of the 1980 Mt. St. Helens eruption in Washington State.

There would be different destruction patterns found in each zone away from the caldera. It was stressed that all our citizens need to be continually prepping. I live about 300 air miles from Yellowstone so I will have some definite problems, though probably not as bad as Denver of Kansas City. Scientists have a zoning system and I am probably on the border of zone five and six. It was noted that the world's grain crop would suffer and we should be able to go without purchasing grain for 5 or 6 years.

I think I am pretty well prepared for most problems, but I don't really know all of what I need or how much to have on hand for such a catastrophe. Are you prepared in your area for the future eruption of Yellowstone, the largest volcanic reservoir in the world?
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I remember the ash from the Mt. St. Helens eruption just remember days of light dusts.. Was pretty far from it too, I had relatives in state at the time wish I remembered more of their stories. Anything down wind and surviving will be buried. It will clog every water filter you have. Probably need layers of just socks that can be thrown away as first second and third passes for any unprotected water.

I remember seeing littles vials of it being sold too.... LOL
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With you being in Idaho.....probably not. The models of destruction I've seen flattens everything for 2-300 miles in every direction. Then there is the weight of the ash falling 3-4'+ thick before it gets wet would collapse most dwellings.
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You are talking 3 to 5 years of "no growing seasons"
Possibly
I am on the outside edge of which I understand to be a 600 mile radius kill zone
Then the is the food issue
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If as suggested & predicted. Plenty of variables, obviously.

Simply from a stock on hand, skills, knowledge, family MAG and having a decent location. Probably.
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You are talking 3 to 5 years of "no growing seasons"
Possibly
I am on the outside edge of which I understand to be a 600 mile radius kill zone
Then the is the food issue
Water would an issue, I’d imagine, for us to stay in place vs head to the families immediately (best case for most things anyhow).

Would depend upon how severe the ash fall would affect our water sources & travel.

We’d need a decent expedient plan to up the safe bulk water storage by quite a bit. Have a decent comfortable buffer ATM, for “normal” shelter in place type things. However no where nears enough for really extended long term.
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Can you survive a super volcano?

ONLY if you are far enough away that the sound gets to you after a day and you ask "WTF was that?"
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With you being in Idaho.....probably not. The models of destruction I've seen flattens everything for 2-300 miles in every direction. Then there is the weight of the ash falling 3-4'+ thick before it gets wet would collapse most dwellings.

I'm 68 air miles from the Washington border, and 280 miles from the Yellowstone caldera, but I am upwind.
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If as suggested & predicted. Plenty of variables, obviously.

Simply from a stock on hand, skills, knowledge, family MAG and having a decent location. Probably.
You should be in good shape as long as you aren't in the eastern U.S. From USGS maps, the Washington coast seems the safest, but then the ash will circle the globe.
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THE ISSUE for anything like that is the prevailing winds.

I live in northern Michigan, and according to prediction maps, we wouldn't even get a dusting.
That said, in a worst case scenario there is going to be an ash cloud burying the middle of the country all the way to the Atlantic ocean, basically cutting the country in half, stopping most transportation and pretty much cutting off air travel.

That said...
Canada would still be very functional with their agriculture being unaffected until the ash cloud starts blotting out the sun and just across the St. Marys river from Michigan. Could be a haven for a lot of folks. And it really would be almost impossible for them to close their borders. There are hundreds and hundreds of miles of shared lake shore line just from the Great Lakes alone.
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There will be earthquakes, and if it happens in the winter with an ash cloud that big going around the earth there may not be a spring or summer plus the flooding from all the snow melt in the rocky mts. JMO
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Are you prepared in your area for the future eruption of Yellowstone, the largest volcanic reservoir in the world?
No...its a truly end of the world event.

I do have a plan....not a good one...but at least something to try....which is to head to India or China via Valdez Alaska. If anyone will survive it seems most likely to be in a tropical socialist country on the other side of the world.

However...I worry about it about as much as I worry about alien invasions....which is a none zero score..but very very low.
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Are you prepared in your area for the future eruption of Yellowstone, the largest volcanic reservoir in the world?
No. I doubt many people are. Fortunately this isn't something that's going to sneak up on us. If the magma chamber(s) under Yellowstone start to heat up and pressurize, it will be obvious to geologists the world over. And it will take months at least to get to the critical point. Everyone saw Mount St. Helens coming. They'll see Yellowstone years away.
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No. I doubt many people are. Fortunately this isn't something that's going to sneak up on us. If the magma chamber(s) under Yellowstone start to heat up and pressurize, it will be obvious to geologists the world over. And it will take months at least to get to the critical point. Everyone saw Mount St. Helens coming. They'll see Yellowstone years away.

If everyone saw Mt. St. Helens coming then why did so many people die? Why did campers continue to camp there? I lived in Washington at that time and was always interested in geology. I had no idea it was coming. Mt. Rainier always has some remote chance for eruption, but people aren't moving out of the Seattle area. When you say "everyone" you need to know who "everyone" is.

In the last 15 years there have been earthquake swarms. And scientists have noted the magma rising for months and then falling. They admit they cannot predict an eruption. Maybe all the people you know, rather than the scientists study Yellowstone know something.
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I'm 68 air miles from the Washington border, and 280 miles from the Yellowstone caldera, but I am upwind.
You're upwind and in Idaho. That means you are not safe, and like the rest of us in the west, you are in a state that has a lot of wildfires. That lava and those hot rocks aren't just going to land and damage only what they hit, they're also going to cause wildfires, and winds blow wildfires.

When Mt. Saint Helens blew, we had hazy (although beautiful) sunsets and had dust from the volcano falling on us in Flagstaff, Arizona. That's a long way.
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If everyone saw Mt. St. Helens coming then why did so many people die? Why did campers continue to camp there? I lived in Washington at that time and was always interested in geology. I had no idea it was coming. Mt. Rainier always has some remote chance for eruption, but people aren't moving out of the Seattle area. When you say "everyone" you need to know who "everyone" is.

In the last 15 years there have been earthquake swarms. And scientists have noted the magma rising for months and then falling. They admit they cannot predict an eruption. Maybe all the people you know, rather than the scientists study Yellowstone know something.
Because nobody expected it to blow up THAT MUCH. And it probably wouldn't have if the whole top and north side hadn't slid off suddenly and unexpectedly, removing untold tons of pressure off the magma chamber underneath and letting it explode out all at once. If you don't recall all the screaming and warnings that were made back then you need to read old newspapers. The one time I ever felt sorry for Dixie Lee Ray, the grossly incompetent governor at the time, was over St. Helens. She established zones around the mountain - Red, where the public was banned and the scientists and media who were there knew they were taking their lives in their hands. Yellow, where you could go if you had reason but at your own risk. And Green where it was safe. People got hysterical about the size of the zones, claiming she was being too cautious, she was listening too much to geologists who didn't know what they were talking about, there was no way it could be THAT dangerous. That old fool Harry Truman said he'd be safe in his lodge at Spirit Lake right next to St. Helens, he knew the mountain, if anything happened he'd just go down in his cellar. Then the mountain blew, Red AND Yellow AND parts of the Green zones were largely destroyed and those in them killed, Truman and his lodge were incinerated, crushed, and disintegrated all at once, lahars sent floods downstream that wiped out towns miles away, and people got hysterical because Ray had UNDERESTIMATED the danger and hadn't made the zones large enough.

People are idiots who refuse to listen to experts, pay attention to danger signs, or to believe anything that might disturb their comfort. Then blame others when they get hurt. That hasn't changed.

If Yellowstone starts pressurizing for real, you'll see a media freak show that will be beyond belief. Geologists will be screaming themselves hoarse warning about the danger, and morons will be being interviewed and saying "Wahl, I ain't no SCI-EN-TIST, but it's jest common sense it CAN'T be as bad as they say tis! It jest CAN'T." When you starting hearing that, then it's time to panic.

Unless you're one of those saying such things.
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