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Old 09-15-2019, 01:06 AM
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My dogs run 50 acres with 5 acre pond. We dont have many poisonous snakes, but I have had 2 different shepherds get bitten by what I figure was water moccassins. I have shot at a few over the years. Both of them swelled up 4 times normal head, but roid shots got em back to normal same/next day. Another pet (brothers) got bitten also, in pile of sticks (copperhead maybe), havent seen any timber rattlers around here in ET.
Farm animals usually dont die from snakes. I am more afraid of the black widows. At beginning of spring, I saw at least 10 paralyzed BW spiders in various places in storage room from dirt daubers catching them and carrying them to their nests for food supply for younguns. I figure it was a mutual death of bee/spider as these didnt make it to nest. I have been tagged by BW before. She was on wood for wood stove. I didnt see her till couple hours later. Thought Id burned finger on stove fire (blister with 2 little red marks). I was playing WoW, and I guess she didnt get a good dose in me.
But, as Jim Stafford said "I dont like spiders or snakes". They all need to die!
BTW, dont geese help get snakes?
Hogs are said to do them in. Possums are immune to most snake bites and eat anything they can get into their mouths.
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We had a 12lb Doxie bitten on the nose by either a rattler or a Moccasin. Her little nose looked like a zucchini and her throat was swelling within 10 minutes. We had the same treatment as you describe for her from the vet - she came out OK. $500 treatment.

Several years later, we had a Brittany attacked by an alligator in our neighbor's pond - 60 tooth holes in his head alone, shoulder muscles torn from the thrashing - had our Golden not been with him, he would certainly have been killed - we are sure she went in after him, along with our neighbor's two small dogs. $2000 for the surgery and treatment.

I have killed every poisonous snake I have seen since then (1 rattler, 5 moccasins) which is almost 20 years. I leave the non poisonous snakes alone. I hunted the alligator for several months, but he must have gone back to the swamp that is upstream from the pond.

I've been criticized by people for killing snakes and others were horrified I would kill an alligator without a permit. My answer to that is bull! I live in the country - there are no "on call" protectors @ 30 seconds call. I don't allow dangerous things to walk or slither around in my yard or woods. My Brittany went over the Rainbow bridge about a year or so after the attack. He was fully recovered. The same pond he was attacked in has young children swimming in it occasionally. I would still kill any alligator I ever see in it or around it - permit or not.

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Well when you go to jail because some damned commie liberal peta person calls the cops on you when they see you killing one I'm just gonna laugh and be like told ya so lol.

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Blah blah blah...no commie liberal peta people come up to my place...they couldn't even find it. I ain't no city dweller, so I'm the one laughing at you, apparently living in fear....stooge.
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There is only one kind of good snake.
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Shoot. Shovel. Shut up.
Right: Shoot; Shovel and Silence......... Triple S

Leave the good snakes alone. They keep rodents in check.
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Guineas.

Ten characters.
Neighbor had guineas, I would rather have snakes.

The winner is possums, eat all kinds of nasty critters.
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Right: Shoot; Shovel and Silence......... Triple S

Leave the good snakes alone. They keep rodents in check.
Remember water moccasins eat other snakes.

Possums love asian persimmons and just about any other fruit. My dog will kill intruding possums.
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Kev, is Buster ok? I know you said he was more alert the next day, but I wanted to make sure.
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Im not sure how much it costs but you can get your dogs trained in snake avoidance. I have a buddy that does all kinds of k9 work and will train your dog to do some crazy stuff. that of course comes with a hefty price once he had the price for the full training package on his site was like 70K now it has no price just a contact us form. lol

I remember some of the stuff
-snake avoidance
-house clearing
-prioritizing threats
-helicopter work
-repeling
-half bite
-full bite
-how to recognize different weapons knife gun etc.
-alert or be silent on command
-explosives detection


there was a ton of stuff I remember thinking why would anyone need that besides LEO and military. even had a puppy program where he would hand pick a puppy with so many months of training plus annual follow on training for like 5k.
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Im not sure how much it costs but you can get your dogs trained in snake avoidance. I have a buddy that does all kinds of k9 work and will train your dog to do some crazy stuff. that of course comes with a hefty price once he had the price for the full training package on his site was like 70K now it has no price just a contact us form. lol

I remember some of the stuff
-snake avoidance
-house clearing
-prioritizing threats
-helicopter work
-repeling
-half bite
-full bite
-how to recognize different weapons knife gun etc.
-alert or be silent on command
-explosives detection


there was a ton of stuff I remember thinking why would anyone need that besides LEO and military. even had a puppy program where he would hand pick a puppy with so many months of training plus annual follow on training for like 5k.
Try googling on snake avoidance training near me.
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I did the snake avoidance class for both my bird dogs 15 years ago. Basically they just put the biggest nastiest rattler in a cage (not sure if defanged but can't do harm in cage). the handler hides the cage up wind in the brush and cranks up the dog collar and releases the dog. Everytime the curious dog gets close to the cage, the handler zaps the dog on full blast, after a couple of blasts the dog doesn't want to investigate any longer.
If you are interested, check with your local Bird hunting preserves or hunting dog clubs because they put these sessions on before Upland season starts.
I will be doing it again for my new bird dog.
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I haven't read through the thread so I don't know if this has been suggested but when I was growing up our dogs got bit a lot out in west Texas.

My dad took an old rag and soaked it in Kerosene and then tied it around their necks. He would resoak the rag every day. Those dogs would swell up but not 1 of them died except the 1 that my dad didn't put the rag on thinking that it had just grazed him a little.

I've had 1 dog that got bit back in Texas when I was married. My exhusband laughed at me when I did it but that dog didn't die. My dad said that his grandfather showed him that trick when he was just a kid. I believe in it.
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I haven't read through the thread so I don't know if this has been suggested but when I was growing up our dogs got bit a lot out in west Texas.

My dad took an old rag and soaked it in Kerosene and then tied it around their necks. He would resoak the rag every day. Those dogs would swell up but not 1 of them died except the 1 that my dad didn't put the rag on thinking that it had just grazed him a little.

I've had 1 dog that got bit back in Texas when I was married. My exhusband laughed at me when I did it but that dog didn't die. My dad said that his grandfather showed him that trick when he was just a kid. I believe in it.
What does kerosene do for snake bites
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Never had a problem with rattlesnakes but I lost a boxer pup to a copperhead. Had a close call with a husky that also took a bite from a copperhead. Fortunately being as big as he was he hung on until we could get em to the vet.

Nothing against snakes but I'll kill any poisonous snakes on my property.
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supposedly a cattle prod works on the venom.
You will have to do some research.
http://venomshock.wikidot.com
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Still no update? Are we to assume the worst?
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What does kerosene do for snake bites
I have no idea, all I know is that it works. It's one of those old timey things that the old people learned when they were kids back during The Great Depression in the 30's I guess, probably older than that even.

Kinda like chewing tobacco will kill worms in horses. My dad gave our horses a handful of chewing tobacco every couple of months. They never had worms when the vet checked them.
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supposedly a cattle prod works on the venom.
You will have to do some research.
http://venomshock.wikidot.com
I have read the same about tasers/stunguns. Apparently the electric current breaks down the venom.
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I have no idea, all I know is that it works. It's one of those old timey things that the old people learned when they were kids back during The Great Depression in the 30's I guess, probably older than that even.

Kinda like chewing tobacco will kill worms in horses. My dad gave our horses a handful of chewing tobacco every couple of months. They never had worms when the vet checked them.
tobacco also helps with bee stings, and I have heard it can help with snakebites as well
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