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Old 09-03-2019, 05:56 PM
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My god these budget cutbacks! Ok, not the U.S. new infantry rifle, but some relics from the French. He's in French commando school, but other than the pics and a quick message, this all I've gotten so far. I'm guessing it's probably part of a weapons familiarization so they can learn to fight with whatever they can wherever they can. Pretty jealous, there was a Sgt. in one of my units that had gone to French commando school & said he learned a lot & the foreign badge from it was seriously cool looking on class A's.
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Lots of *antique* rifles out there still dispatching their owner's "enemies" with brutal efficiency.
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Lots of *antique* rifles out there still dispatching their owner's "enemies" with brutal efficiency.
I gotta admit I've got a soft spot for classic bolt actions.

No spray and pray, just deliberate aimed shots. Efficient indeed.
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there is talk of a new rifle and some new 6.8 round ( not the 6.8 spc) but you know since we are so invested in the 5.56 Magazine and nothing can be loaded in that which hasen't we wont be getting a new rifle any time soon

I thought I would make a post about what your thread title was really about
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That first pic looks like a WWI era rifle, and the second pic looks like a Mauser K98 to me...
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there is talk of a new rifle and some new 6.8 round ( not the 6.8 spc) but you know since we are so invested in the 5.56 Magazine and nothing can be loaded in that which hasen't we wont be getting a new rifle any time soon

I thought I would make a post about what your thread title was really about
Those rumours have been flying around lately.
You never know what Big Army is gonna do.
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That first pic looks like a WWI era rifle, and the second pic looks like a Mauser K98 to me...
The first is probably a Gras or Chassepot.

I canít zoom in on my phone...
But yeah, WWI era but actually earlier, 1880ís vintage.
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Those rumours have been flying around lately.
You never know what Big Army is gonna do.
For those even remotely curious:

https://www.military.com/daily-news/...-and-m249.html

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Sig Sauer Offers First Look at Weapons that Could Replace Army's M4 Carbine and M249

The new prototyping agreements call for each vendor to deliver 43 6.8mm NGSW automatic rifles and 53 NGSW rifles, as well as 845,000 rounds of 6.8mm ammunition, according to the original solicitation.
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My god these budget cutbacks! Ok, not the U.S. new infantry rifle, but some relics from the French. He's in French commando school, but other than the pics and a quick message, this all I've gotten so far. I'm guessing it's probably part of a weapons familiarization so they can learn to fight with whatever they can wherever they can. Pretty jealous, there was a Sgt. in one of my units that had gone to French commando school & said he learned a lot & the foreign badge from it was seriously cool looking on class A's.
FRENCH...
Never fired and only dropped once?
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If it happens, it'll surplus a **** ton of 556
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Read the proposed procurement numbers here:

https://www.military.com/daily-news/...y-weapons.html

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Once a single vendor is selected, the follow-on production award may include an order of 250,000 total weapons systems and 150,000,000 rounds of ammunition, according to the original January solicitation, which estimates the deal's value to be $10 million in the first year and up to $150 million a year during higher production rates.
5.56mm will be issued for years to come.
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Some of the guys I served with stationed in Germany got picked to go on the French Commando school. Yeah it was a cool badge they to wear on their dress uniform. My platoon warrant officer had his Ranger tab which was much cooler.
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Before I got out last year, all the talk I heard was that the new 6.8 NGSW, while capable of replacing *all* rifles, would likely only replace DMR and SAW inventory. For the long foreseeable future.

Quite frankly, I think the Pentagon is making hay while the sun shines, but are anticipating difficult financial times ahead.... take that for what you will.
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I've often said I'd like them to have theater specific calibers. Somewhere like Afghanistan where longer ranges are involved, a 308/7.62 round no matter which platform would be much better than in a more dense urban environment like Mogadishu or Baghdad where the 223/5.56 will more often than not have enough range for most encounters. As much money as it would save by sticking within the current AR platform, it may be in the best interest to get a new camel. Not saying it has to be exactly like an AR but imagine an AR type weapon in between the AR-10 & M4/M-16/AR. Lets say it's an AR 12 1/2. It has a round with a bullet dia in the .25-.28 range, case length of 47-49mm, cartridge width at the base of ~10.5mm & width at the shoulder of ~10.25mm. That would put the round roughly half way between the 2 (5.56 & 7.62). It wouldn't have to be an AR style rifle either, or they could make one that is similar enough in its operation to an AR that a massive retraining effort is not required. I don't know if that round would be any good, I'm sure there are some that are already close to those specs, but I haven't done a big search yet. Whether a new round or one that's already in use, changing calibers & weapon platform are both huge undertakings in the military. If they do get a new weapon, I hope they get it in 2 calibers and/or get a newer single caliber between the current 2. When I was in I carried an M-16A2, also an M203 that was on an M-16A1. The M4 was just in it's infancy when I was getting out, now my son is carrying an M4a1 & it's considered long in the tooth. It really makes me feel old.
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Shot my first Lee-Enfield rifle about 2 weeks ago and absolutely loved the bolt on it. Been scouring around my local listings for one ever since! I really want to give a Lebel a try, too.
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"When it’s all over, there’s going to be one guy standing there with a bolt Mauser on top of a hill, with no armor plating on, in short pants and tennis shoes with a hundred year old 1898 Mauser. He’s going to the last man standing. It’s as simple as that." - The Late Louis Awerbuck

Not saying I believe that but I still like the quote. Now, if he had said the last man standing would be in Wranglers or Carhartts with a lever action .30-30.......
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I always thought that the last man standing would be an American in a Ghillie suit holding either a scoped M-1 Garand rifle or a scoped M-21 rifle.
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I always thought that the last man standing would be an American in a Ghillie suit holding either a scoped M-1 Garand rifle or a scoped M-21 rifle.
If heís that guy, heís probably laying in a puddle of his own waste, making sure he doesnít expose himself, because there may be some red neck in a wife beater with a bubba-fied Mosin on the next ridge, hiding in a 46 Dodge thatís up on blocks, saying hey, Billy Jo....I think I see somethiní....hold my beer.
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Well he made it through the school, but during the obstacle course he incurred some sort of time penalty & didn't get his badge. Said he asked to do it again, but no luck. He said even without the heat it would've been hell but the heat made it even worse. He also said he still learned a lot, & the first 3-4 days of it were harder than anything he's done in the army. His hands got a little chewed up too. Also he may have broken a bone in his foot, but they haven't taken X-rays yet.
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