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Old 08-27-2019, 12:38 AM
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I've never understood the few people who choose this round over the time tested and classic .270 Winchester.

Advocates like to say it has clear advantages due to better ballistic coefficient and sectional density of the most common bullet weights. Clear enough "on paper" I suppose but the advantage is so slight between a .280/140 and a .270/130 how many shooters can really make that mean something in the field? It strikes me as the type of thing the late Jeff Cooper used to call "preoccupation with inconsequential increments." It's tinkering on the margins.

Even if you convinced me that ballistic nirvana occurs at 140 grains of .284 bullet, I believe I'd still want to shoot that bullet out of something besides a .280 Remington. Perhaps a 7mm Remington Magnum, a 7x57 Mauser, or a 7mm-08. The first offers high performance, the second is a classic with history and a "cool factor" and the third is compact and efficient.

Come on .280 Remington fans. Defend your choice.
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Not a .280 owner, but I view it as sort of a Super 7mm Mauser and would load it with the heavier weights (140 minimum, more like 175).
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It's an 06 based cartridge that takes 7mm bullets, which there are more choices than the 270

The 7mm mag tears up a lot of meat especially on short range shots and the 280 not so much

No, there's not much difference between it and the 270 except the fact you can shoot heavier bullets which most people choose for elk

It'll do just about everything a 7mm mag will do with a lot less recoil

At 200yds, there's not a nickels worth of difference out of the most popular cartridges anyway

Pick one!
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In other words, Remington had the 7mag, so they decided to try and come up with something superior to the .270 that Winchester had so much success with, necked down some 06 shells and made the .280

Doesn't seem to have taken off, but I know a few guys who have one and love it.

I'd just as soon stick with .30/06 and not either of those necked down versions.
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Kind of like the 6.5-06, .25-06 and a host of other mid bore options, it all falls down to what you like and want.

You like what you like even if it's a mundane .30-06.
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Kind of like the 6.5-06, .25-06 and a host of other mid bore options, it all falls down to what you like and want.

You like what you like even if it's a mundane .30-06.
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People talk about how many deer the 30-30 has taken, which it has taken quite a few, I've taken a few with it myself. The number of people killed in combat with 30-06 between the 1903 springfield, 1917 Lee-Enfield, the M1917BMG, M1919BMG, BAR, M1 Garand, M1941 Johnson, not to mention civilian bolt actions drafted for duty using that "mundane" caliber, just by the U.S. using U.S. weapons alone is staggering. That's not even accounting for all the other countries that used & still use those guns and that "mundane" cartridge. The 30-06 has also taken plenty of game & predators just in North America alone. Whether it's elk, moose, deer, antelope or wolves, coyotes, bobcat or bear, that so called mundane round is nothing to sleep on.

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The 30-06 has also taken plenty of game & predators just in North America alone. Whether it's elk, moose, deer, antelope or wolves, coyotes, bobcat or bear, that so called mundane round is nothing to sleep on.
I took my best elk with an '06 shooting a 165 Barnes TSX. The '06 has been gittin' 'er done with basic cup and core bullets for a long time and with modern bullets it's better than ever.

But a few years ago I bought a Mannlicher rifle I wanted that just happened to be in .270 Winchester. I bought the rifle for the nice wood, not the caliber. But the caliber grew on me and the more I use it the more I like it. I was once reluctant about that caliber but I've become a fan through use. I took me second best elk with it shooting a 130 Nosler partition.

I know the .280 is a good performer but I just can't get on board with it. It doesn't offer much over the .270 and the .270 has been around longer and is a classic. If you like 7mm bullets I can understand 7 mag, 7x57, and 7-08. But not the .280.
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I took my best elk with an '06 shooting a 165 Barnes TSX. The '06 has been gittin' 'er done with basic cup and core bullets for a long time and with modern bullets it's better than ever.

But a few years ago I bought a Mannlicher rifle I wanted that just happened to be in .270 Winchester. I bought the rifle for the nice wood, not the caliber. But the caliber grew on me and the more I use it the more I like it. I was once reluctant about that caliber but I've become a fan through use. I took me second best elk with it shooting a 130 Nosler partition.

I know the .280 is a good performer but I just can't get on board with it. It doesn't offer much over the .270 and the .270 has been around longer and is a classic. If you like 7mm bullets I can understand 7 mag, 7x57, and 7-08. But not the .280.
My old hunting partner built himself a 280 Rem. Carried it for years. Factory ammo was not nearly as accurate as my 270, but his handloads are just as good.

My decision was not to buy a single rifle to cover antelope to elk. I bought both a 270 win and a 338 win mag..
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We are blessed to have as many options. Variants have been made off of just about everything. Variants off of variants. Will one do better than another? Maybe. It's your choice.
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My hunting partner has a 700 stainless/synthetic that he bought in '90 on my advice and with which he has killed literally truckloads of deer and moose. He realizes that there isn't a nickles worth of difference between it and the .270 with 130/140's but his gets fed a steady diet of 165 gr Core-Lokts and has never let him down. Just try and find .277" bullets heavier than 150 gr...

One of the biggest advantages is that it does everything the 7RM does with (objectively) about 60-70% or the recoil which means he shoots it a lot and is consequently very good with it. I've seen him shoot a big cow moose in the back of the head at 125 yards as it was running away, after it had been hit (VERY) badly by another hunter with a .300 Weatherby which that hunter was afraid to pull the trigger on (because it kicked, ammo was expensive and he was therefore not good with it at all). He called the shot, the original shooter called BS, but when we got to the moose there was an entry hole to the left of the spine and a half-dollar sized exit hole leaking in the middle of the forehead. Hard to argue with success like that, being easy to shoot makes what might be a marginal shot an easy day.

Example of one, I realize. But folks who shoot .280 seem to be very dedicated to it. Mine happens to be an AI version...
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280 rem was the answer to the 270 winchester. Remington wanted to sell more new rifles, biggest problem was that some max spec 270 chambers would load the original 280 causing overpressure so they changed the chamber to the longer shouldered 280, they should have just blown out the shoulders to .308 width. Because you can load 270 cases with excessive headspace, causing blown caseheads.
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My deer/elk/black bear rifle is a 280. Why did I chose it?

Because it's a little different. In real life, the difference between a 270, 280 and '06 is not worth yakking about, especially at the distance I typically hunt (>250 yards). So why not?
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Because it's a little different.......So why not?
Ha! Fair enough. Of course, if I wanted to be a little different I think I'd go wiht a 7x57 and tell everyone I was shooting a .275 Rigby.
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Ha! Fair enough. Of course, if I wanted to be a little different I think I'd go wiht a 7x57 and tell everyone I was shooting a .275 Rigby.
I like it.

I told someone that I hunt with a 30 Winchester Center Fire once, and they had no clue I was referring to 30-30. It was kind of funny.
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Bullet weights and slight edge in velocity over .270 with comparable bullet weights.

It splits the difference between the .270 and 30.06.

Handloading gets you right at 7mm Rem Mag territory w/a shorter barrel and less powder burned.

NA game will not know the difference between it and the .270/30.06

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Ha! Fair enough. Of course, if I wanted to be a little different I think I'd go wiht a 7x57 and tell everyone I was shooting a .275 Rigby.
Well you can hunt with the .280 and tell everyone that it's a "7mm Express Remington"...
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I would get the .280 Rem just to make the .270 Win crowd mad.
Always been a fan of the 7mm Mauser.
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I would get the .280 Rem just to make the .270 Win crowd mad.
You pot stirrer, you. Not that I wasn't doing the same with this thread.

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Always been a fan of the 7mm Mauser.
A classic and a proven performer if there ever was one. I have to admire what the Boers did with that old cartridge. On four legged game and two.
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280 is a great cartridge. I'm a 270 man (Jack O'Conner thing) but have owned almost every rifle made at one time or another (Slightly exaggerated, but close). I shoot a 270 in Remington 721 and a JC Higgins model 51 in 30-06. I have other rifles but these are the larger ones based on the 06 round. I only have 1 friend who shoots the 280 and he loves it.
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My second big game rifle as a kid was a 721 Rem in 270 W. I got the biggest fish of my life with that rifle. True story.

During my last year of high school (early 70's), dad and I sat down with loading books and trajectory tables and a borrowed desktop computer. The goal was to pick an overall 'best' cartridge. The 7mm Rem Mag won.

I bought one while stationed in Germany mid 70's. All my big game since has been shot with that rifle.

I like .224, 6.5mm, 7mm, .308, 323 and .458 in rifles.

Bullet choices for the .270 has always been limited for the reloader compared to the 7mm or 30 cal.. If you are happy with factory ammo, then its a mute point.

I have a Newton rifle from the 20's. It came with a shot out 256 Newton (6.5-06) barrel. I obtained a free new in cosmolene O3A3 barrel that I got to help install. Someday I would like to re-bore the original barrel out to 7mm and chamber it in 7mm-06 Ackley Improved.
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