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Old 07-20-2019, 03:05 PM
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I have a bulk pack of Hornady Z-max bullets for the 7.62x39 (123gr). The varmints around here can get pretty big...LOL


One of these days I'll get around to dropping them into some new Winchester 7.62x39 brass. Z-max bullets in a MK47 Mutant might be interesting.


As far as the 5.56/.223 goes, I've always considered them to be in the varmint class of calibers...just saying.
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Yah, simple & easy. Small enough to fit inside pistol grips, or hole punched & banded. Simple to change over time & depending on the upper as well.

Suppose night guy could do his in gold leaf if it works for it...just find its wasteful suggestions tiresome.
You could always use an electro-pencil or even a magic marker will do in a pinch if you sand off the anodizing first.
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You could always use an electro-pencil or even a magic marker will do in a pinch if you sand off the anodizing first.
Or you could not be an idiot and use nail polish.

Our snipers would use that to mark settings on their scopes (they had to share)
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Buy whatever you can find cheap and reload to whatever specs you would like. Much cheaper in the long run.
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Or you could not be an idiot and use nail polish.

Our snipers would use that to mark settings on their scopes (they had to share)
How would wearing nail polish in combat help someone keep track of sight adjustment. Thank God I served as an Infantryman in the Old Corps. Back in my day, before DADT that kind of nonsense wouldn't have been tolerated.
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How would wearing nail polish in combat help someone keep track of sight adjustment. Thank God I served as an Infantryman in the Old Corps. Back in my day, before DADT that kind of nonsense wouldn't have been tolerated.
(And there's who I was talking about)


You use nail polish to make the Turrents on th e scope for the different shooters.

Rather than Permanently marring your receiver you could "write" anything you wanted to on it in a form that would not wear off easily, but be removed at will.


Or you could be an idiot....
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I have standardized on 55gr fmj, mainly due to cost....
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Norma TAC 55gr FMJ in 223 for $.27/rnd shipped. That's better ammo than mil-surp 55gr FMJ ammo & Norma is good brass too, no primer pockets to deal with either.

https://gun.deals/product/norma-tac-...ewsletter-1546
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I have a bulk pack of Hornady Z-max bullets for the 7.62x39 (123gr). The varmints around here can get pretty big...LOL


One of these days I'll get around to dropping them into some new Winchester 7.62x39 brass. Z-max bullets in a MK47 Mutant might be interesting.


As far as the 5.56/.223 goes, I've always considered them to be in the varmint class of calibers...just saying.
Similar opinion here regarding 5.56mm . Not impressed with it much after using it in more than a few conflicts overseas ( M855, M193, and M855A1....to name 3) Weapons used were M16A2 /A4/M4/A1/ M249/ and R4 Galil.

As far as intermediate cartridges go......I also prefer 7.62x39mm. Nothing all that fancy here. 125gr JSP at less than 18 cents per loaded round. After adding up the total costs pertaining to reloading ( Including the time it would take), this is more cost effective to stock this instead.

Pic 1 below are 2 rifles that have been used often for dumpin critters like that in pic 2 below. ( Used a fancy load for that one in a 117gr all copper TUI) While it did put that hog's butt in the dirt, produces higher velocities, and creates a rather large wound track, Im still not certain that it justifies the costs involved when compared to the other mentioned load of 7.62x39 mm.

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(And there's who I was talking about)


You use nail polish to make the Turrents on th e scope for the different shooters.

Rather than Permanently marring your receiver you could "write" anything you wanted to on it in a form that would not wear off easily, but be removed at will.


Or you could be an idiot....
Well Im just relieved to hear your toenails weren't involved.
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Norma TAC 55gr FMJ in 223 for $.27/rnd shipped. That's better ammo than mil-surp 55gr FMJ ammo & Norma is good brass too, no primer pockets to deal with either.

https://gun.deals/product/norma-tac-...ewsletter-1546
Meh, I have found Normas'accuracy to be ho hum. Federal M193 has a much higher velocity and is more accurate. The fact that the primers are not staked defeats your argument that it is better ammo.
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Meh, I have found Normas'accuracy to be ho hum. Federal M193 has a much higher velocity and is more accurate. The fact that the primers are not staked defeats your argument that it is better ammo.
If it is a lower pressure ammo it may not require staked primers - That would also eliminate a few steps if someone wanted to reload it as well.

Crimp removal is a PITA.

The highest velocity also does not always = the greatest accuracy. As a reloader you should be aware of that.
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If it is a lower pressure ammo it may not require staked primers - That would also eliminate a few steps if someone wanted to reload it as well.

Crimp removal is a PITA.

The highest velocity also does not always = the greatest accuracy. As a reloader you should be aware of that.
Crimp removal take a 3 count on my drill press with cutting tool per case. It's not a PITA but it is an additional step. I clean all primer pockets on the press with a different tool so it's just one more step for me but almost all my brass are once fire free range pickups so the additional step is worth the effort. I have not once stated or inferred that higher velocity equals higher accuracy, I don't know where you read that but I did not write it. However for defensive ammunition I will load to the highest velocity possible that maintains acceptable accuracy with decently low standard deviation. I am not looking for match accuracy. For the 5000 rounds of 62 and 64 grain bonded ammo that I loaded over the past few weeks that ended up being around 2950 FPS at 1.5 to 2.5 MOA depending upon bullet. This is a marked increase over the 2730 FPS I get with factory Speer .223 64 grain Gold Dot.
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"Meh, I have found Normas'accuracy to be ho hum. Federal M193 has a much higher velocity and is more accurate. The fact that the primers are not staked defeats your argument that it is better ammo."

Military ammunition is renown for its accuracy


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Manufacturer - Federal Lake City
3.56 g (55 gr) XM193 FMJBT
993 m/s (3,260 ft/s)
1,755 J (1,294 ft⋅lbf)

Manufacturer NORMA USA AMMO
Caliber 223 REMINGTON AMMO
Bullet Type Full Metal Jacket
Muzzle Velocity 3240 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1290 ft/lb
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"Meh, I have found Normas'accuracy to be ho hum. Federal M193 has a much higher velocity and is more accurate. The fact that the primers are not staked defeats your argument that it is better ammo."

Military ammunition is renown for its accuracy


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Manufacturer - Federal Lake City
3.56 g (55 gr) XM193 FMJBT
993 m/s (3,260 ft/s)
1,755 J (1,294 ft⋅lbf)

Manufacturer NORMA USA AMMO
Caliber 223 REMINGTON AMMO
Bullet Type Full Metal Jacket
Muzzle Velocity 3240 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1290 ft/lb
Do you know how I know that you don't own a chronograph? Bahahahahaha! Yeah 3240 with a 24 inch barreled bolt gun on an 85 degree day, maybe, Bahahaha. Thank you for the entertainment.

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I just took the numbers from the manufacturers

As far as a chronograph, I have a Labradar
Have had it for a while now
You should get one

You should stop any time you type out the words "Do you know how I know..."
Just stop right there. Just end it.
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It was nice when Night Delusionary was on vacation. Now, I am again on the bubble as to whether or not add him to "the club". He's so entertaining it really is a hard decision.
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I just took the numbers from the manufacturers

As far as a chronograph, I have a Labradar
Have had it for a while now
You should get one

You should stop any time you type out the words "Do you know how I know..."
Just stop right there. Just end it.
Yup. Love mine and wont go back to a "chrono"....ever.

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Yup. Love mine and wont go back to a "chrono"....ever.

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Agreed
I had to Pre-Order mine over three years ago
And then I waited a couple few months
And then The Box showed up
Really revolutionary
Now imagine production is rolling along
Highly recommended
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I just took the numbers from the manufacturers

As far as a chronograph, I have a Labradar
Have had it for a while now
You should get one

You should stop any time you type out the words "Do you know how I know..."
Just stop right there. Just end it.
So in other words you are just regurgitating manufacturers velocity data which any experienced shooter that has been around for more than a minute knows is often highly optimistic. On the other hand my statements are based on actual first hand experience/knowledge with notations directly from numbers I recorded using that ammunition fired over a chronograph and measured for accuracy at 100 yards. Come on, you can do better than that Mr. Swilling.
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