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Old 07-14-2019, 12:14 PM
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You never once stopped at a gas station with the family and ran in to pay while you left them in the car or ran in to use the bathroom while they stayed in the car?
Ive never done that with the kids in the car and Ive never done that with the car empty. Only an idiot leaves his car running ,unattended.
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You never once stopped at a gas station with the family and ran in to pay while you left them in the car or ran in to use the bathroom while they stayed in the car?
I have done it. I leave the ignition key and take the door key. I lock all the doors. By the time he busts through the glass he is also taking fire.
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The idea that the father leaving his car running invited carjacking and kidnapping is just as absurd as scantily clad women asking for it, deserving to be raped.

The point is, toxic masculinity is BS. Father's protect their children with deadly force and criminals who pay the price should be a reason father's are honored not condemned.
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I have done it. I leave the ignition key and take the door key. I lock all the doors. By the time he busts through the glass he is also taking fire.
Bullets are expensive sir, why not pistol whip him in the back of the head first?



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Old 07-14-2019, 03:26 PM
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The courts say fits of sudden rage are a mitigating factor in some crimes so why not allow that to a victim of a crime and give him the same slack.
A mitigating factor applies to sentencing, not guilt.
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It shouldn't matter at all.

One of the many areas our laws are flawed and protect ******* and criminals.

Like I argued in my self defense thread, all bets should be off and the kidnapper should have no mercy nor consideration his way.

And if I walk out out my front door that morning and see the father stomping on him, and I join and beat him to death, I should be commended, not punished nor scrutinized in a court of law.



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Yes, well, due process is kind of important. Thus why he's entitled to a trial if he surrenders. If he wants to fight it out then have at it though.
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I bet without even asking him, he sure didn't leave the keys in the ignition with the car running like a jackass.

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Yeah, but then you're leaving the kids locked in a hot car, they get busted out, and you go to jail for child endangerment or worse.

I'll leave a preteen/teen kid in the car, but I lock the doors and toss them my pepper spray. They'll unlock the door when I get back, and if anyone tries to break in they know to spray to keep them out, or spray them in the car and bail. By then I should be back to deal with the kidnapper.
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Yeah, but then you're leaving the kids locked in a hot car, they get busted out, and you go to jail for child endangerment or worse.

I'll leave a preteen/teen kid in the car, but I lock the doors and toss them my pepper spray. They'll unlock the door when I get back, and if anyone tries to break in they know to spray to keep them out, or spray them in the car and bail. By then I should be back to deal with the kidnapper.
A pretty stupid response, which is surprising, from you.

Pretty unreal your counter argument is about hot cars, and child endangerment.

The use case is running inside a gas station, not going to see a 2 hour movie with a baby in the car in the sun.

I'm actually speechless you are grasping at straws like that.

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Yes, well, due process is kind of important. Thus why he's entitled to a trial if he surrenders. If he wants to fight it out then have at it though.
Yes, but again, one thing is how the law is today, and the other, and what I am focusing on, is how things should be.

Due process should go out the window here, in my mind.

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A pretty stupid response, which is surprising, from you.

Pretty unreal your counter argument is about hot cars, and child endangerment.

The use case is running inside a gas station, not going to see a 2 hour movie with a baby in the car in the sun.

I'm actually speechless you are grasping at straws like that.

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Meh. You know that's the reaction you're going to get though if you turn the air conditioner off, lock your car with your kid inside, and then walk off. Someone's going to freak out, call the cops, and probably bust out your window causing a huge mess. Our whole society is well programmed to respond to that situation in that way.

And from experience not me, but some cops would charge you just to appease the mob and media that would be gathered even if the kids weren't in real danger.
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Meh. You know that's the reaction you're going to get though if you turn the air conditioner off, lock your car with your kid inside, and then walk off. Someone's going to freak out, call the cops, and probably bust out your window causing a huge mess. Our whole society is well programmed to respond to that situation in that way.

And from experience not me, but some cops would charge you just to appease the mob and media that would be gathered even if the kids weren't in real danger.
you willingly ignore the most important factor here, the TIME involved / invested in paying for gas?

And you actually would rather leave a car running with kids inside, and call that "safer" than locking the car and turning it off?

I'm literally speechless.

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you willingly ignore the most important factor here, the TIME involved / invested in paying for gas?

And you actually would rather leave a car running with kids inside, and call that "safer" than locking the car and turning it off?

I'm literally speechless.

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A locked car with the air conditioner running with a less-lethal armed preteen inside while I keep them within line of sight out a window? Yep. Much safer. Locking a smaller child in a car with no ventilation in the heat is cruel, even if it's not long enough to cause injury. And the fact the car's not running doesn't mean someone's not still going to snatch your kid (and probably just as likely if you toss in well-intentioned people).

Now that's COMPLETELY different from leaving a small child defenseless in an unlocked running vehicle unsupervised for any amount of time. That's what happened here and in all these carjack kidnapping stories.
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A locked car with the air conditioner running with a less-lethal armed preteen inside while I keep them within line of sight out a window? Yep. Much safer. Locking a smaller child in a car with no ventilation in the heat is cruel, even if it's not long enough to cause injury. And the fact the car's not running doesn't mean someone's not still going to snatch your kid (and probably just as likely if you toss in well-intentioned people).

Now that's COMPLETELY different from leaving a small child defenseless in an unlocked running vehicle unsupervised for any amount of time. That's what happened here and in all these carjack kidnapping stories.
Ok, to be fair, a teen is a different story.

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The idea that the father leaving his car running invited carjacking and kidnapping is just as absurd as scantily clad women asking for it, deserving to be raped.

The point is, toxic masculinity is BS. Father's protect their children with deadly force and criminals who pay the price should be a reason father's are honored not condemned.
The boyfriend father did "not" leave the kids in the car, the "mother" left the kids in the car and went into the Pizza place where the boyfriend father was working. The boyfriend father did run out and chase the vehicle down after it was stolen.

As for the mother leaving the kids in a car, a running car no less that is the act of a friggin moron and if anyone needs some jail time to teach them a lesson it is her.
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If the guy hadn't fled, then I'd agree no charges. If all they had done is caught & detained him (with or without excessive force) I'd say it's all good, but he as they had to chase him for 1/2 a block, he clearly wasn't a threat to their life. Stand your ground is all well & good but chasing someone down & killing them is another. If this had been a cop doing this the people on this board would be howling for that officer to go to jail.
The Car Jacker / Kidnaper, committed a felony witnessed by the father.

After rescuing his children, he attempted to make a citizens arrest.

The perpetrator , attacked him while he was in the act of attempting the arrest.

He defended himself , resulting in the death of the perpetrator.

All this is a valid legal defense !

It is all how the police write it up .
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The Car Jacker / Kidnaper, committed a felony witnessed by the father.

After rescuing his children, he attempted to make a citizens arrest.

The perpetrator , attacked him while he was in the act of attempting the arrest.

He defended himself , resulting in the death of the perpetrator.

All this is a valid legal defense !

It is all how the police write it up .
Yup, unless a witness told me the guy turned around and surrendered and then just got executed outright, that's how I'd write it.
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The only person in this story that should be going to jail is the idiot mother for leaving the kids in the car, a running car no less while she goes into a place of business. What kind of moron does something like that?

I had 6 to 8 children at a time with a paraplegic wife and every time I stopped anywhere I unloaded "all" children and the wife and took them in with me even if I was only in there five minutes. I never let any of our kids ever get more than an arms length away from me or out of my direct line of sight. Now on the farm I let them go free they could where they wanted when they wanted but in town around other people they never left my side not for even for seconds. I escorted all children to the bathroom until age 14, and with my daughter even though she is 14 I still escort her to the bathroom or I station a brother or two outside the bathroom door and they escort her back to the family.

Leaving kids unattended in a car is insane, you are just asking for someone to steal them.
Even though I applaud your overprotectiveness, which is absolutely necessary in today’s world and even though I applaud the fact that you do what very few other people do, I have to chastise you for the ending, when you said you let them loose to run around on the farm.

They don’t come more overprotective than me but there is such a thing as overkill. If I was just running inside to pick up a pizza and I knew for sure it was only going to be a few minutes, no, I would not completely unload all of my children and my paraplegic wife for such a short visit.

What I would do is what I always do in those fast situations which is turn OFF the ignition, take the key with me and lock the vehicle with my remote. In addition I am constantly looking outside to make sure everything is OK, like every few seconds. If there is a situation where I cannot see the car and there is any delay at all inside I will walk all the way to the door and look out and walk back until it is my time.

But the exception I take with you is I would NOT let them run around on my farm without knowing where they are at. Yes I am a bit more flexible and a little bit looser, but not a whole lot!!!!

It’s sad to say that we live in such a sick world and that we have to provide such over protection but the truth is it’s mandatory in today’s age!!!

Abductions by pedophiles and kidnappers and people so sick and sadistic they should be beaten till death when caught, are VERY acutely aware of such situations as yours and will in fact look for and stalk their prey waiting for an opportunity.

Not trying to attack you as I say I applaud your effort‘s but I just believe you’re stopping short and I I think you are misguided if you believe that your children are only vulnerable when out in public and not at home or on your farm!
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SO you blame the mother? Hmm, so no accountability? You excuse the criminal then. Sounds like a liberal mentality to me..
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SO you blame the mother? Hmm, so no accountability? You excuse the criminal then. Sounds like a liberal mentality to me..
I agree the mother was not prudent in leaving the car running. (Initially, I thought the story only involved the father and is over-reaction). The criminal is not excused. However, this story reminds us of a fact our feminized culture does not like to admit. There is such a thing as a guilty victim. The story also involves the mother's under-reaction, lack of virtue, lack of prudence.



"Innocent victim" is said so often, we tend to suppose all victims are innocent. Obviously, that is not true. Most victims are guilty. Just last night I imprudently went for a walk without checking the forecast or bringing an umbrella. You guessed it. It rained and I got wet ... I got into an "accident," which is not my fault and why they don't call it an "on purpose." I chose to drive in the snow storm. I chose to drive with balding tires. I chose to go on the highway. I chose to get close to the cars around me. The series of choices show the guilt of the victim and this explains why insurance companies penalize people for getting into "accidents."

If women were truly fearful of 'rape culture' they would not go to bars at all. And if they did, they'd were sweat suits and running shoes. They would not be scantily clad, sexually soliciting rapists while wearing high heels! Feminists rail against 'blaming the victim' AS IF the virtue of prudence does not exist. They say foolish things like "women 'should' be able to wear anything they want." In theory, this is true. Trouble is, we live in the real world. A lesson to survivalists everywhere!
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**** him... social justice. If the father and all the other bystanders beat him to death, consider it a hazard of the job field he chose.



Let's just forget this ever happened and cook the guy in an incinerator.
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