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Old 07-12-2019, 12:32 PM
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Well, technically the carjacker was kidnapping.

https://news.yahoo.com/father-chases...120437612.html
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It is kind of a shame he chased the guy down after he left the car. If the fight were right there at the car it could be self defense/defense of his family. The fact that he chased the guy down after he left the car may cause him legal trouble.
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Oh well. It's not as if we'll miss that guy. The article said he was 54 yrs old. What you wanna bet that he had nearly one arrest for the majority of those years. It's not as if you live a good life for 53 of them and suddenly decide to steal cars at 54.
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It is kind of a shame he chased the guy down after he left the car. If the fight were right there at the car it could be self defense/defense of his family. The fact that he chased the guy down after he left the car may cause him legal trouble.
Maybe, we'll see, but I hope not. You have to ask the question, if the Jacker had gotten away with the car, what would he have done with/to the kids?

It's kind of the mothers fault, but I can kind of see what she may have been thinking. If she shut the car off, it would have heated up inside pretty quick. My neighbor has three little ones and she starts the car with the AC running and one by one loads the kids up, going back and forth to the house for each kid.
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A few things pop into my head after reading that. #1. No mention of race, so we know what that means. #2. Don't leave your minor kids unattended in a car. #3. Don't leave your car running with the keys in it. #4. Don't combine #'s 2&3 especially & it will cut down the odds of your car being stolen with your kids inside.
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Interesting legal case I guess.
Common sense would say no charges, and maybe give the guy an award.

But some group will claim that he infringed on his right to steal cars and kids for a living.
Maybe his defense could be that the rest of the neighborhood killed the guy and all he was trying to do was detain him.

I wonder how the thief got removed from the car? I assume he could roll the windows up and lock the doors?
Unless the boyfriend had a tool, how did he get the guy out of the vehicle?
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Interesting legal case I guess.
Common sense would say no charges, and maybe give the guy an award.

But some group will claim that he infringed on his right to steal cars and kids for a living.
Maybe his defense could be that the rest of the neighborhood killed the guy and all he was trying to do was detain him.

I wonder how the thief got removed from the car? I assume he could roll the windows up and lock the doors?
Unless the boyfriend had a tool, how did he get the guy out of the vehicle?
If the guy hadn't fled, then I'd agree no charges. If all they had done is caught & detained him (with or without excessive force) I'd say it's all good, but he as they had to chase him for 1/2 a block, he clearly wasn't a threat to their life. Stand your ground is all well & good but chasing someone down & killing them is another. If this had been a cop doing this the people on this board would be howling for that officer to go to jail.
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If the guy hadn't fled, then I'd agree no charges. If all they had done is caught & detained him (with or without excessive force) I'd say it's all good, but he as they had to chase him for 1/2 a block, he clearly wasn't a threat to their life. Stand your ground is all well & good but chasing someone down & killing them is another. If this had been a cop doing this the people on this board would be howling for that officer to go to jail.
That's why I said it was an interesting legal case.

Legally, they obviously should not have pursued and killed the guy.

Ethically, most would try to make the situation simply go away. The guy must have tripped and hit his head on the curb a dozen times.
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Well, technically the carjacker was kidnapping.

https://news.yahoo.com/father-chases...120437612.html
He got what he deserved. If I am on the jury the father walks.
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Glad he’s dead. Hopefully the dad is allowed to walk.
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In my home county, there is a huge population of meth heads and prescription drug junkies who will do anything to get money for drugs. Most of them have arms and legs about the size of broom handles, and probably couldn't outfight the average twelve year old, but they are willing to risk serious injury for money for drugs. As more of them attempt to break into occupied homes, more of them end up getting their butts kicked. Eventually some sixty-year-old homeowner will beat one of them to death and end up spending a fortune defending himself in a lawsuit. After all, the junkies aren't at fault, they can't control themselves, which is why so many politicians are bringing lawsuits against drug manufacturers, on behalf of the junkies.
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seems to me that the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the father struck the mortal blow. if the crowd joined in seems a pretty high bar.
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He got what he deserved. If I am on the jury the father walks.
Two votes...Let's hope the other 10, agree....
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The defense:

"Some people did something..."
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As far as I'm concerned......justice has been served!
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The defense:

"Some people did something..."


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It is kind of a shame he chased the guy down after he left the car. If the fight were right there at the car it could be self defense/defense of his family. The fact that he chased the guy down after he left the car may cause him legal trouble.
Doubtful. If he just kidnapped children in an act of violence in order to steal a car, he was an imminent threat of doing it to the next motorist he came across, if only to facilitate his escape.
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seems to me that the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the father struck the mortal blow. if the crowd joined in seems a pretty high bar.
Not so; if it were murder, all of the participants would be guilty of murder. That's just how the law works. Either murder or felony-murder (someone dies incidental to a felony you commit).

But, this clearly wasn't murder.
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