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Old 06-23-2019, 08:06 AM
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best picture I've seen of the incident.

I can't imagine that someone didn't have a GoPro running for this.
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Not claustrophobic one bit till I try on my full face..can't keep it on for 5 minutes and it has to come off. So I take my chances with my shorty and just try to stack the odds when riding.
Roads are so treacherous with potholes around here (even the interstate) that my ride is a garage queen as of late.
Sad situation there and happens way to often..tangling with a cager.
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Old 06-23-2019, 08:35 AM
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Saw that and Since I ride I'm extra sensitive to it. They have yet to say how it happened. Your article says the first person on the scene was behind the truck, but no word yet on why it happend. You'd think they'd know. We don't even know if they were hit head on or from behind. From the few photos I've seen, it looked kind of like it may have been from behind, but it was just reported it was head on. The photo above pretty well confirms that..

Anyway, my sympathies to the riders and their families.
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Old 06-23-2019, 09:07 AM
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Not placing blame, I wasn't there.

This week is the stupid "Thunder in the Valley" crapfest in Johnstown PA.
Since Tuesday I've been dealing with "riders" two and yes, even three abreast trying to "control" traffic.

I get the whole trying to be safe thing, but when you're trying to be safe thing turns into a hazard for the "cages" and you spook a young, elderly or distracted driver then bad things will happen.
This week, on numerous occasions I had the lead dog trying to "push" oncoming traffic by riding the yellow line.
I'm talking ON the yellow line, mirrors and bar ends over the yellow line into the oncoming lane.

Many people naturally want to watch the spectacle of a long line of bikes.
Those that ride, where does your bike go when you are looking in that direction?
Yeah, your bike goes to where you are looking, so where do they think these cars are going to go when the people in the cars are staring at a long line of bikes?

I had at least a handful trying to "push" me, in my 80,000#, 102" wide tractor and trailer "over" this week.
Sorry buckos, I'm in my lane, I 'm staying in my lane, and none of your ill advised pushing is going to make me move onto the soft shoulder because you think you're entitled to a foot and a half of my lane.

Again, not placing any blame, the truck driver in this case could have been drunk or high for all we know, I'm just commenting on some of the poor riding habits I see while driving.
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I ride, and agree, IP. The stupidity of "I'm special, I ride Harley's" is simply dangerous.
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I ride, and agree, IP. The stupidity of "I'm special, I ride Harley's" is simply dangerous.
Agree with both of you. Riding stupid is not riding safe. I've seen what you're talking about and it's foolish. I'm ok with a bike slowing traffic to allow other bikes to slidein front, but that's done only when no one will cut a group a break while navigating heavy traffic. Beyond that, a police escort is preferred in a very large group (60-100 bikes).

One thing that's become prevalent these days are cars coming across the center line, both in straight stretches and curves. It's poor driving habits and distracted driving/cell phones. I've had people all the way over in my lane before they wake up and discover where they are. It's unnerving as hell..
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Agree with both of you. Riding stupid is not riding safe. I've seen what you're talking about and it's foolish. I'm ok with a bike slowing traffic to allow other bikes to slidein front, but that's done only when no one will cut a group a break while navigating heavy traffic. Beyond that, a police escort is preferred in a very large group (60-100 bikes).

One thing that's become prevalent these days are cars coming across the center line, both in straight stretches and curves. It's poor driving habits and distracted driving/cell phones. I've had people all the way over in my lane before they wake up and discover where they are. It's unnerving as hell..
On both a bike and in a big truck.

On a bike I know I'm screwed if a car comes into my lane.
In my truck I know the car is screwed if it comes into my lane.

I don't want to be involved in either.

The attitudes of just about everyone on the road today is far different than it was 20 years ago.
I seriously think cell phones should be jammed in moving vehicles.
This would be a huge saver of lives.
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From the angle of the photo, looks like the truck/trailer
cut across into the oncoming lane of bikes and mowed
them down! Skid marks and resting point of the truck/
trailer seem to show that, plus the angle of the downed
bikes in the picture. Alcohol use by the truck/trailer driver?????

And bikers can share some of the blame nowdays, too.
Was coming home on US 17 on Friday and was near a
club of vets who PURPOSELY were RIDING BOTH the
inside and outside LINES of the lanes with their bikes!
So much so that they actually were into the ADJOINING
lanes of traffic. And they ALSO were riding two abreast,
close formation and PURPOSELY MUCH SLOWER THAN
THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT!

And when someone would dare to pass them in the adjoining
lane they would PURPOSELY run up on them and surround
them and ride CLOSE to them!

All of this is BAD and DANGEROUS both to themselves and
to the cager who will be intimidated and possibly hit their
brakes for whatever reason! THIS is also what causes bike/
auto accidents.

Been riding since the 1960's and also involved in Fire/Rescue
as long! Seen quite a lot of traffic accidents.

Respect and prayers for the dead and downed in this accident.
Let's wait for the official investigation results. The photos are
pretty graphic. Unusual for such a high fatality count.
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I think its past time to start putting people in jail for crossing the yellow line and killing people. If you are drunk you go to jail. If you are too tired to drive because you worked a double shift and kill someone then that's an accident. In the end what's the difference? Phone,drunk tired, or poor maintenance of the car, if someone e is hurt or dies I say its jail time.



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On both a bike and in a big truck.

On a bike I know I'm screwed if a car comes into my lane.
In my truck I know the car is screwed if it comes into my lane.

I don't want to be involved in either.

The attitudes of just about everyone on the road today is far different than it was 20 years ago.
I seriously think cell phones should be jammed in moving vehicles.
This would be a huge saver of lives.
The really telling part is when your meet someone that is cheating in a curve, they know it and don't even bother to try to move back in their lane. In my view that's an arrestable offense. Doesn't matter if I'm in my truck or on the bike. Unfortunately it's all to frequent and I don't understand what is going through their minds. I've considered writing the Sherrifs department about it, but haven't..

As to the cell phones I'm in 100% agreement. I have one of course, but refuse to use/answer it if I'm driving. I'll check it out at my next stop, but not while driving..
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I ride, and agree, IP. The stupidity of "I'm special, I ride Harley's" is simply dangerous.
Wasn't gonna be the first to say it, but yeah. 'Nother factor may be that a lot of older guys who are now in the money buy a Harley for their first bike. Image thing. Crash fatality stats from the '70s bore this out in Mazzachusetts. (My home state from birth to 1977 - now a refugee.) Lawyers were the worst, so maybe that's a feature, not a bug. OTOH the my-first-bike-is-a-Hog disease also kilt a disproportionate number of doctors.
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I will ride my small dual sport in town or in the woods/mountains.
I can't fathom riding with the idiots and children (can drive at 15 in MT) behind the wheel...a year or two ago they raised the speed limit to 80mph on i-90....and usually year after year Montana has the highest road fatalities per capita.
I think space was a huge factor in this...just like altitude is your best friend when in small aircraft...
Sad loss of life this story is...
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I see some HD riders who seem bent on riding 2 abreast and with no space between the following bikes and one deer will take out 5-6 bikes.

Since you say you’re a rider I’d guess you notice motorcycles which makes me wonder why you think that riding 2 abreast is limited to Harley riders.

I can assure you it is not.
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Wasn't gonna be the first to say it, but yeah. 'Nother factor may be that a lot of older guys who are now in the money buy a Harley for their first bike. Image thing. Crash fatality stats from the '70s bore this out in Mazzachusetts. (My home state from birth to 1977 - now a refugee.) Lawyers were the worst, so maybe that's a feature, not a bug. OTOH the my-first-bike-is-a-Hog disease also kilt a disproportionate number of doctors.
Some folks don't understand you work up to a Harley. You just don't jump on a 800 bike as a newbie and expect to be safe. Been riding Harley's since the very early 70's, but my first bike was a Honda 300 super hawk, followed by a BSA, then the Harley. When I sold my first Harley, a newbie bought it. I offered to ride it home for him so he could do some safe practice riding later. He wouldn't hear of it. He took off down the alley and didn't make the 90 degree turn at the end, hit a power pole and crushed his leg. I wound up riding it to his house afterall..

When my wife started riding she wanted a Harley. I bought her a Kawasaki classic instead. Same size, but much lighter. She hated it, but she made her mistakes on that one. Then she graduated to a Harley..
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Several years ago my wife took out a rider. The rider was in a group and they were on a very crooked road. Speed is limited to about 30 mph due to road conditions. The rider was on a three wheeled cycle. she swerved into the wrong lane on a blind curve and hit my wife head on. My wife had PTSD from the ladies face against the windshield. The club stayed with her. And followed the ambulance to the hospital. Her husband stayed with the bike and followed the wrecker. We were told that she survived, not sure how. people just don't respect those lonely crooked roads
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My brothers and I rode dirt bikes due to living on gravel roads in the middle of nowhere. So we only had to worry about ourselves (and deer) the vast majority of time. I don't even like driving a car in town anymore. I've been hit 3 times in 4 years in my car with roughly $14,000 in repairs by other people's insurance. After the next one they'll likely total the car and I'll make myself a "road warrior" 4x4 with large steel bumpers.
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I HAVE a couple hundred thousand miles on Beemer motorcycles. Belonged to a club for years. Every year as soon as the snow and ice cleared a bunch of us would head down to ride Deals Gap and then twisty our way through the Carolinas then back up towards Michigan.



Our riding rules were you NEVER doubled side by side unless you needed to get attention for something and you never rode any closer than 30yds between bikes on X-ways(traffic never had to slow down for us) and when doing twisty riding you still kept 50 feet between bikes, just for reasons like this.



Such a waste of life.





No matter who is at fault, SPACE gives options when things go badly.



I see some HD riders who seem bent on riding 2 abreast and with no space between the following bikes and one deer will take out 5-6 bikes.


Riding the dragon.
Used to be a nice ride up through the twisties but all the “racers” have made it stupid dangerous. I grew up in GA and used to hike/ride that area a lot. I would always see lots of stupid riders, especially when the fall leaves turn.
This accident is a horrible shame but it is part of life unfortunately. Hopefully any of the riders who were active duty were at least wearing their PPE so they won’t have their SGLI denied.
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Wasn't gonna be the first to say it, but yeah. 'Nother factor may be that a lot of older guys who are now in the money buy a Harley for their first bike.
I couldn't agree more. I don't know if experience balanced against machine size and horsepower played a roll here, but I can't believe the number of people being sold oversize machines as their first bikes.

The Honda Goldwing is another example of the "first bike" for older newbies phenomenon.
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When civilians ask me about suicide among vets I tell them that is GD lie being spewed by the MSM , from my personal experience the number one killer of my brothers and their wives /GF's has been Harley Davidson Motorcycle wrecks I know of 2 that were ran over at a red light while stopped waiting on it to turn green , another was hit by someone who ran a stop sign and another wifes was killed , he lived but barely , were parked at a rest area and ran over by a semi. while sitting on their bike. S/FI! And these are people I have known personally for 20-30 years.
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Riding the dragon.
Used to be a nice ride up through the twisties but all the “racers” have made it stupid dangerous.
“The Dragon” is the shortest route to my sister’s house in North Georgia. It’s a beautiful drive, but I hardly ever take unless it’s on a weekday in winter. Bikers and folks in their little Z-cars and MX-5s be crazy!
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