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Old 06-22-2019, 08:05 PM
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This was one of my favorite reads on 32 caliber guns. The last paragraph is the one I like the best.

https://gunblast.com/WBell_SW32s.htm
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I have been looking for a good little pocket gun, and several are appealing for various reasons, the Kel-Tec because of the price, the Tomcat because of the quality, but what stands out with most of the options is a short lifetime. A couple thousand rounds and they are worn out or malfunctioning.

And I like to practice with what I carry, a thousand rounds may only be 10 range trips. So a truly small choice may not be a real option.

Why can't someone make a decent to high quality pocket gun that will last, has sights that you can see, and is accurate?
My wife and I each have NAA Guardians in .32 with about 500 rounds through each of them so far. Got out of the habit of shooting them because of the cost of ammo. Saved my brass though so I figure I'll start reloading for that caliber and maybe have a bit of a revival.

They're not quite as small as the Seecamp pistols that inspired them, but they're reasonably accurate little guns despite the tiny sights. My wife's only complaint is that if she shoots more than 50 rds or so in a shooting session, the next day the web of her hand is a little bit sore from the recoil.

What I'd really like to pick up though is a Colt 1903 in .32; an original one, not one of the new limited-run reproductions that came out a couple years ago.

I went to buy a Seecamp .32 to compare it to the NAA Guardians and saw that the Seecamp .380 is the exact same size as the Seecamp .32, and that was just too much to pass up.

I'm curious to see how long my Seecamp .380 lasts. If you listen to the factory schpeal, as long as you replace the recoil spring at the interval they recommend and scrub the chamber (low-tech delayed-blowback system) every 50 rounds, you should never have to replace the frame. They state they can return the pistol to like-new condition if you ever wear other parts out to the point where it needs a rebuild.

Despite the fact that it has NO sights at all, not even the simple groove that some earlier Seecamp pistols had down the top of the barrel, I was shocked at how tight of a group I can shoot with that gun.

My only complaint about the Seecamp .380 is that it hurts to shoot. I've done plenty of shooting in my life, with more types of guns I can count, and I'm no shrinking violet when it comes to recoil, but that little .380 hurts like the devil every time I pull the trigger. There's just not much gun to hold onto, and when the muzzle flips up the bottom of the trigger guard smacks my trigger finger so hard I could swear it's going to break my finger.

I haven't run into anyone else with the same problem, so unless they're just unwilling to admit that it hurts in order to save face, maybe I'm just becoming a wimp in my old age, or it's the shape of my hands, or it's how I hold the gun or something. I don't know. But while I love the gun since it gives me a .380 to carry in a package that's smaller than I've found in ANY other .380 or .32, even Derringers, it's the one gun I have that I don't enjoy practicing with.

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If you really want a .32 ACP rifle, all it takes is MONEY. I had a Remington 580 single-shot .22 converted to center-fire, the barrel relined and rechambered. I had this done when .22 ammo got scarce. Inch groups at 50 yards are normal. With full-charge loads ballistics are about like a .32-20 Winchester, but if I want "silent but deadly" I drop powder charges down to about 1 grain of Bullseye with a 100-grain bullet, which gives about 700 fps from the rifle and is no louder than an air rifle. No "can" is needed.
That's a pretty neat setup, thanks for the pics.
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So much info in this thread,thanks to everyone.
I never knew anything about .32 except I've always heard about seecamp.
Went to "my"LGS to kill time on lunch break,they have had a seecamp sitting there for about 1/2 a year for 449$,no clue if thats a good deal.
Well,yesterday,it had about 12 brothers and sister sitting next to it,hr mag,keltec,revolver,top break,sw long,black powder acp,etc...never had a clue so many types.Hard to tell which ones can share the same ammo,or use different types.Some of them are really small.
Doubt I'll ever get one,but its fun learning about them.I "think" the keltec was 259$ ?
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So much info in this thread,thanks to everyone.
I never knew anything about .32 except I've always heard about seecamp.
Went to "my"LGS to kill time on lunch break,they have had a seecamp sitting there for about 1/2 a year for 449$,no clue if thats a good deal.
Well,yesterday,it had about 12 brothers and sister sitting next to it,hr mag,keltec,revolver,top break,sw long,black powder acp,etc...never had a clue so many types.Hard to tell which ones can share the same ammo,or use different types.Some of them are really small.
Doubt I'll ever get one,but its fun learning about them.I "think" the keltec was 259$ ?
327 Federal Magnum will shoot 32 H&R Mag, which will shoot 32 Smith and Wesson Long, which will shoot 32 Smith and Wesson Short. All of those will also shoot 32 ACP, though not accurately.

My KelTec was $255 for what that's worth.
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Same can be said for 357 Magnum!
you can shoot...……..
38 short
38 long
38 Smith and Wesson
38 Special
38 +P
357 Magnum
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These seem to be the hot new 32 to have. I would like one but spare mags are hard to find and expensive when you do. Plus right now I am strapped for disposable cash and I have a Walther PP in the safe.

https://aimsurplus.com/beretta-model...tandard-grade/

https://www.classicfirearms.com/bere...ood-very-good/
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These seem to be the hot new 32 to have. I would like one but spare mags are hard to find and expensive when you do. Plus right now I am strapped for disposable cash and I have a Walther PP in the safe.

https://aimsurplus.com/beretta-model...tandard-grade/

https://www.classicfirearms.com/bere...ood-very-good/
I would love to have a Beretta 32. My fullsize carry gun is a Beretta 92.
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Same can be said for 357 Magnum!
you can shoot...……..
38 short
38 long
38 Smith and Wesson
38 Special
38 +P
357 Magnum
Theoretically, .38 Smith &Wesson is NOT shootable in .357 Mag. However, It may chamber if the tolerance stack-up is correct. If it does fit, I wouldn't be concerned about firing it due to the low pressure compared to magnum rounds.
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.32 is one of my favorite CCW calibers. I have examples in .32 S&W, .32 S&W Long and .32 Auto, and have frequently carried one since the late 90's.
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These seem to be the hot new 32 to have. I would like one but spare mags are hard to find and expensive when you do. Plus right now I am strapped for disposable cash and I have a Walther PP in the safe.

https://aimsurplus.com/beretta-model...tandard-grade/

https://www.classicfirearms.com/bere...ood-very-good/
"Hot new pistol"?

Gun has been around since the 70's. The same model in 380 is the exact same size. Huge gun for .32 or .380. Bigger than a lot of compact 9mm's.


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"Hot new pistol"?

Gun has been around since the 70's. The same model in 380 is the exact same size. Huge gun for .32 or .380. Bigger than a lot of compact 9mm's.
"New" as in they are now being imported in bulk from European police departments in quantity and are being discussed on several other gun forums. And I didn't say it was "new". I said it was "the" new 32acp to have per some of the other gun forums. You might try reading a little closer next time.

And not every gun has to fit in your watch pocket. Some of us buy guns to target shoot and have fun with so a hide out gun is not always wanted or needed. And a bigger gun is nearly always easier to shoot.

The new to me Taurus TCP in 380 weighs 10oz and is almost as small as a Kel-Tec 32. But it has quite a bit of recoil and is not easy to shoot because of its tiny size. But it serves a purpose. On the other hand my Walther PP in 32acp or my buds Walther PPK in 380 while much larger are far more pleasant to shoot.
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Picked up my Beretta 81 pistol this week. Field stripping and visual inspection it looks almost new, no wear of anodize on rails. Great DA trigger pull like a revolver. SA trigger pull like a .45 hardball gun.

At the range found that the gun "eats everything."
The 3.82” barrel length gives really good velocity.
Nice handling for rapid, 2-second double and triple taps, very light recoil, quick recovery.

Chamber is tight. Handloads must be run through the Lee Factory Crimp Die, because any case mouth bulge from excessive crimp and the slide won’t close fully. After taking this precaution all the reloads ran, even with Accurate 31-095T which has ¼” diameter flat nose! No bobbles with any of the ammos.

Buffalo Bore 75-grain FN in .32 ACP is only 0.915” OAL and it jams in every other .32 ACP pistol I have. In the Beretta 81 it runs like a pony trotting. POI is 3” above front sight, all in bull of timed & rapid-fire repair center at 25 yds. with 6:00 hold.
Buffalo Bore 75-grain gives 1016 fps, 5 Sd, 11 ES for 12-shots

Fiocchi 73-grain FMJ 964 fps, 26 Sd, 65 ES, all in the timed and rapid-fire black, 4” group at 25 yards. typical accuracy for a .32 ACP pistol firing ball ammo.

Remington 71-grain FMJ 914 fps, 23 Sd, 62 ES, again typical grouping well centered.

Old Western “Bullseye” logo box, WW2 era 74-grain FMJ 1050 fps, 25 Sd, 84 ES, round 3-inch group well centered in bull using 6:00 hold. Hottest factory load fired today, but I didn’t bring any S-B to shoot...

Group 2 +P .32 ACP “Buffalo Loads”

Accurate 31-087T, Starline case, Fed. 200, 3 grains AutoComp, OAL 0.955” 992 fps, 26 Sd, 93 ES - Equals .380 ACP energy!

Accurate 31-095T, Starline case, Fed. 200, 2 grains Titegroup, OAL 0.945” 946 fps, 13 Sd, 36 ES. - Equals .380 ACP energy!

After running 50 rounds of the heavy-bullet, +P loads, there was no apparent peening of the aluminum alloy frame from slide impact.

It helps that these have VERY heavy recoil springs and it is difficult to rack the slide unless you cock the hammer first.

Attached some drawings of cast bullets I have shot in this gun which feed. Like I said, eats anything!
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You gotta stop it Outpost. I really want one of these but don't need to spend the money right now. Sounds like you are having a good time with yours. I loaded some Lee 100gr lead round nose in 50 rounds but haven't tried them yet. But they hand cycle through my old PP made in 1957. (that doesn't really sound right does it).

The big thing everyone is looking for are spare mags. From what I have read if you find them they are close to $50 a piece. Here is a little reading on 32acp guns from C.E. Harris. He is the reason I loaded some of the 100gr lead.

https://www.hensleygibbs.com/edharri...cles/32ACP.htm

https://www.hensleygibbs.com/edharri...Previsited.htm

https://www.hensleygibbs.com/edharri.../32popguns.htm
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If those Beretta's were in 380, I might buy one. 32 - hard pass, have too many calibers as it is right now.
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"New" as in they are now being imported in bulk from European police departments in quantity and are being discussed on several other gun forums. And I didn't say it was "new". I said it was "the" new 32acp to have per some of the other gun forums. You might try reading a little closer next time.
Sorry, when you said "These seem to be the hot new 32 to have" I should have realized what you meant.

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And not every gun has to fit in your watch pocket. Some of us buy guns to target shoot and have fun with so a hide out gun is not always wanted or needed. And a bigger gun is nearly always easier to shoot.
Of course. I wasn't editorializing on the gun, merely pointing out some factual information for those who haven't handled one. For those used to modern tiny .380's and 9's, it is a big pistol by comparison.

I own a number of larger .32's, Beretta in the single column variety, FN, Mauser, Walthers, and Colts, and I enjoy shooting them all. While I don't have an 81 in .32, I have the same gun in .380.

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The new to me Taurus TCP in 380 weighs 10oz and is almost as small as a Kel-Tec 32. But it has quite a bit of recoil and is not easy to shoot because of its tiny size. But it serves a purpose. On the other hand my Walther PP in 32acp or my buds Walther PPK in 380 while much larger are far more pleasant to shoot.
Interesting. I find the little Kel Tec to be more pleasant to shoot than my PPK's in .380, but that illustrates differences in personal differences in feel.


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Agree with the basic sentiment here. I shoot .32, but not .380 (at least not my own).

It's easy to make a microscopic .380 these days, but not one that is easy to control in rapid fire.

Those surplus Berettas are a work of art, btw. How many of today's current-production pistols are going to be as desirable in 40 years? Here's mine:

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Sorry, when you said "These seem to be the hot new 32 to have" I should have realized what you meant.

My bad.
No problem. I knew they weren't new guns. Most report the ones they have were made around 1980.

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Interesting. I find the little Kel Tec to be more pleasant to shoot than my PPK's in .380, but that illustrates differences in personal differences in feel.
My bud bought an FEG PA-63 in 9mm Makarov, a supposed copy of the actuall Makarov and both of us think that it recoils more than a Makarov even though its the same basic gun. But it hurts my palm to shoot it. My bud will shoot about two mags and he is done with it. On the other hand full bore 158gr 357 rounds from my 4" GP-100 are nothing to shoot.
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