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Old 05-16-2019, 10:47 PM
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Recently picked up a Rem. 770 bolt gun in 30-06 and loaded up some test loads for it last week. I was using mixed brass by Win. Rem. and Fed. along with CCI LR primers and I use three different powders Alliant 2400, H-4198 and Unique. The two bullets I used were the Lee 170 gr. FP and the Lee 160 gr. TL RN both powder coated, gas checked and sized to .311". Targets were shot at 50 yds. as that is as far as I can shoot around here in the back yard range without making a day trip to the public range. All load data came from the Lyman Cast Bullet manual #4, below are the group but none were much larger than 1.5" and some under 1".

We had some issues with the Chrono not reading probably due to overcast skies on some loads but I will be retesting those loads for data at some point as will as some additional powders I have and maybe even a primer change on a couple loads to see if that improves things. I haven't been behind the trigger since last Nov. after having surgery and weather not cooperating on my days off so I'm a bit rusty. I zeroed the scope on Load #1 and just the other fall where they may to see how they grouped.


Target #1
Low: 1698
High: 1715
Average: 1709
Spread: 16.8
SD: 6.78

Target #2
Low: 1731
High: 1761
Average: 1747
Spread: 29.99
SD: 11.61

Target #3
Low: 1950
High: 1981
Average: 1966
Spread: 31.30
SD 11.22

Target #4
Low: 1971
High: 2015
Average: 1989
Spread: 44.64
SD: 16.50

Target #5
No Data but shoots great, will load and shoot again.

Target #6
No Data

Target #7
No Data

Target #8
Low: 2277
High: 2309
Average: 2292
Spread: 31.71
SD: 15.39

Target #9
Low: 1635
High: 1701
Average: 1650
Spread 65.70
SD: 26.57

Target #10
Low: 1665
High: 1709
Average: 1686
Spread: 44.46
SD: 17.49
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Nice!

I've also done some shooting with my 30-06 and cast loads using the Lyman 170g 311041 mold. I think I was using 4198. It was awhile ago but if I recall, accuracy wasn't too bad. It was probably 8-10 years ago that I was doing this.

I got a chrono last month and was thinking about logging some new tests to with those same rounds I made back then and see what I get. I've also gotten into powdercoating too, so that's a new dimension to explore.

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Awesome start. I have been casting and shooting lead bullets for 50+ years. There are lots of tricks to getting good groups. Choice of lube is one. I like the Lovern style of Lyman bullets the best. 311413 does well for pointy bullets. I have 190 +gr 30-40 krag mold that does great for a plain base.
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This winter I built a "knock around" 30-06 on a mauser action. It still has some polishing work but I got tired and started sighting it in. The plan is cast projectiles. I loaded up 100. 150 gr. projectiles. All below 2000 fps. I don't have a chronograph. I like cast projectiles. If kept at a reasonable velocity they are easy on the shoulder and accurate. When the weather straightens out I'll move the target to 100 yards and finish sighting. I may mould and load some 180gr loads later in the year
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A friend of mine in Montana uses a 220gr hard cast bullet, I think from Lyman. I think he uses imr 4064. I don't remember any velocity numbers, but I do know he used it successfully on a decent size elk.
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The Lee 150 gr flat point shoots very well in my 30-30 marlins and Rem 760 300 savage.
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I just started reloading for 30-06 and my research has pointed me to IMR 4350 as the classic powder of choice. Today I had a chance to try it out but my 5 year old girl wanted to shoot her pink 22lr. She had 15 shots and 13 hit the target with 2 in the 9 ring. Then she played where to shoot with me. She picked I shot. She was having fun chasing golf balls after they were hit.

I will be keeping an eye on this topic. Where did you buy the molds?
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I've had good success with the Lee 150 gr. RF in my Sav. 99 in 300 Sav. as well. It's basically run around 1700+ fps. but I haven't tried to push it yet. I like that bullet with 7.0 grs. of Red Dot for a nice plinker load in the 30-30.
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I just started reloading for 30-06 and my research has pointed me to IMR 4350 as the classic powder of choice. Today I had a chance to try it out but my 5 year old girl wanted to shoot her pink 22lr. She had 15 shots and 13 hit the target with 2 in the 9 ring. Then she played where to shoot with me. She picked I shot. She was having fun chasing golf balls after they were hit.

I will be keeping an eye on this topic. Where did you buy the molds?
Both molds are Lee molds. One is the Lee 170 gr. RNFP and the other is the Lee 160 gr. TL RN both use a gas check and both bullets were powder coated as well. I used 50/50 alloy and water quenched the bullets after coating right from the toaster oven an allowed them to age harden for about a month before loading.

There are lots of different powder that work well for cast lead bullet, for plinker loads or mid range velocity loads I like pistol/ shotgun powders or med fast rifle powders. If I'm going to try to push the envelop, I like the slower powders like IMR or H-4895, 30-31 or 4350.
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If you're taking groups sizes, keep all your cases the same! Meaning head stamps and lots.

It does make a difference for accuracy

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If you're taking groups sizes, keep all your cases the same! Meaning head stamps and lots.

It does make a difference for accuracy

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Thanks, I understand that relationship as far as consistency goes. The brass, a 100 piece bag of once fired was given to me as a Christmas present by a friend so thats what I'm currently using.

I did sort it by head stamp and there is a mix of Remington and Federal probably 60% the rest being PPU, Hornady and a few HXP cases. I did load each test load in same brand head stamp but being once fired lot numbers are all over the place I imagine.

Overall for a first set of test everything seems to be fairly consistent regardless of which bullet,powder charge or brass was used. Some did better than others but the others were acceptable for the ranges you can shoot at around here which is 100 yds. or less.

I still have a couple other powders I want to try out an once I settle on a couple go to loads I will see which brass that load like best and may even try some different primers as well.
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Great shooting. I read an article in an older Gun Digest by Jim Foral called my 30-40 krag Plinker. He used several cast bullets to shoot his gun and it made me want to do the same thing. I have an older Remington model 700 30-06 I installed a williams peep site on just for doing this with. And I bought the same Lee 170gr mold but haven't cast any bullets yet.

Can you give more detail on the powder coating. I know several have mentioned the red powder coat from Harbour Freight. What oven are you using and where did you get your tray to put your bullets in?

I would like to load these same bullets in a 30-30 case for my Winchester model 94. I love shooting lead bullets and have cast lead for handguns for several decades but never for rifles.
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Can you give more detail on the powder coating. I know several have mentioned the red powder coat from Harbour Freight. What oven are you using and where did you get your tray to put your bullets in?
You can read how I powder coat my bullet here, other do it differently but this is what works for me https://www.76highboy.com/index.php?...746/#post-7752

As to what oven I use it's just a plain old convection toaster oven that would cost about $35 new that I got used for about $10 it came with the tray but I also use a couple steel non-stick coated baking pans that I line with non-stick foil I got for a couple bucks that fit in the over as well.

Here are some of the Lee 170 gr. bullets coated with Smokes Super Durable Clear ready to be placed on the tray.



Coated bullets being place on the tray, I use Reynolds non stick foil, parchment paper will work just fine as well, either can be reused multiple times.



Bullets ready to be water quenched after baking at 400 degrees for 20 minutes after the coating starts to gloss over.



As to the HF powders the Red and Yellow are the only ones that even work somewhat but I gave up on them a couple years ago because there are better powder that coat much better than the HF powders.

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It's a great bullet as well in the 30-30, excellent accuracy can be obtain leaving the gas check off if you keep the velocity below 1400 fps. with reduced loads using powders like Unique or Red Dot. I like 7.0 grs. of Red Dot. For full house loads H-335 is my go to powder but others will work just as well.
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I tried painted bullets for awhile too, couldn't see any advantage over traditional but a lot more effort, so I quit.
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You can read how I powder coat my bullet here, other do it differently but this is what works for me ...
I've also been powdercoating, even for .223! I'm not as careful though and it seems to work just as well (they just don't look as pretty).





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I tried painted bullets for awhile too, couldn't see any advantage over traditional but a lot more effort, so I quit.
You don't have to lube, so how is it more effort? It's much LESS effort.

Then you also get less leading, or no leading at all.

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I've lubed bullet about every way possible including pan lubing, Alox or Xlox tumble lube and several variations there of. I also have a RCBS Lubesizer and for the past couple years I've powder coated most of my bullet.

Leading in pistols or rifles was not an issue powder coating had to solve as I never had that problem when I lubed bullets in any of the other forms. Powder coated bullets are much cleaner when handling and on your reloading dies as well.

The coating encapsulates the lead bullets and keeps the lead from forming lead oxide on the outer surface if you're storing your bullets long term in less than idea conditions. The coating want be effect by those conditions like traditional forms of lube would. I like the fact that I can pretty much coat up all the bullets I'll shoot for a couple months in a couple hours size and store them till there ready to be loaded.

It's a good thing to have options and which ever way works best for your shooting needs is the right way to do it.
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Leading in pistols or rifles was not an issue powder coating had to solve as I never had that problem when I lubed bullets in any of the other forms.
I haven't done much testing and only recently got a chrono. But from what I hear, you can get more velocity with less risk of leading (and without gas checks, in many cases).

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Powder coating changed the game for me and casting rifle rds. I have never used gas checks and don't intend to. So far I've only been running 230 gr 300 BLK's and they are stupid FUN. Such a mild report and minimal recoil. Can't wait for my suppressors to arrive. It's been 5 12 months...……….I'm seriously not counting the days. Just picked up a 160 gr .309 mold. Want to roll a few up for the .308 and 30-06's.
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sarco2000, I'm heard through the grapevine that HF Red & Yellow are being discontinued and I can't find either one on the HF website. I don't use those powders but I know some that do an may want to check into it.
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sarco2000, I'm heard through the grapevine that HF Red & Yellow are being discontinued and I can't find either one on the HF website. I don't use those powders but I know some that do an may want to check into it.
Wow, you're right! I guess when my HF red runs out I'll have to pay more and get some Eastwood or something.

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