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Ok, so I'm walking in the morning to pick up a rental car, took a shortcut through forested area away from the very busy street. I've been through there before. Nice quiet place despite being in the city.
I'm walking the trail and notice ahead a blue tarp hanging from a tree off to side, homeless shelter obviously, no big deal.
And...a big pit bulldog laying right in the middle of my path.I
I stop and look at dog, dog looks at me. I speak gently, assessing dogs disposition. Did jumps up and comes at barking and snarling.
I shout and snarl back. Doggie stops about 8 feet from me.
I begin backing up slowly. I get far enough away to feel safe turning and all OK.
Mistake 1, I did not being my pistol. Maybe a good thing as in retrospect I did not wish to shoot the dog, but would have, being angry.
The real fault lay with the dogs owner.
But my carry pistol is a Ruger LCP. Double action only. .380.
Now with that pistol I can hit easy an 8 inch square at that distance, but not a coke can every time.
And if I just grazed that animal, sure I'd have follow up shots, but at an aggressive fast charging beast?
A shotgun with buckshot would be nice.
And a pistol with a single action capability would have worked, even a 2" barrel i could have nailed the standing dog with my first shot.
Just some thoughts.
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Bear spray would of been entertaining, not on the dog but it's owner.
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An umbrella works great!

Open it on an approaching dog, it generally scares them off

If not, stab them with it, then beat them silly.....


I always used a 357 on feral dogs, it worked quite well, a 380 I'm sure would take multiple shots to put a mean dog down

Forget about shot placement in a dog situation, holes count for a lot!
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With everything going on and all the unknowns I have been making it a point to make sure I carry everywhere I go. You just never know.
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I channel my inner Cesar Milan and become the alpha to show the dog who's boss.
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It is a hard thing to do shooting a dog charging at you. Plus like said above .380 isn't the best thing for animals. Smallest I carry is a 9mm. I got a Kel-Tec p11 10+1 in DA only and that is the smallest gun I will carry.
Mace seems like a good idea in theory but a gust of wind can quickly change your mind. Or having it throw back at you. Or to small of an area and everyone gets hit( I have had this happen by accident with a customer in a small room, we all had to leave)
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Hiking stick or cane usually helps.

Or a handy rock.
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Navy SEALs in Viet Nam used a silenced 9 mm S&W pistol to put down sentry dogs. They called that firearm a "Hush Puppy." Look it up on google. It proved effective.
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I have an LCP. Your going to have to let that dog get to within 15ft of you to even hit it. Just by the looks of the dog dosnt mean you should shoot.

If you run at most dogs yelling they will see that your not afraid of them and usualy take off. If not start kicking in the ribs.
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I have found with several past experiences, that knowing basic karate kicks is very helpful in fending off an attacking dog. On the other hand I have encountered some dogs so dangerous that the only thing that could save you is a hand gun. Some dogs are just vicious and dangerous. Normally I do not carry concealed, however, when I walk my dog through our surrounding neighborhoods, I make sure I have either a 9mm or a .38 with me, as well as mace and a small folding blade. I will never forget those vicious dogs that I have encountered in the past. Once as a kid, I was attacked and severely bitten by a neighbors dog. Dog attacks are very common in the U.S. and recently I heard that up to 40 people a year are killed by dogs.
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I know most around here rely on guns for most situations. I don't know if it's fear or an inability to defend themselves without one. If I were you I'd carry a quick opening knife. I carry a Kershaw assisted opening for situations just like yours. Plus, knives are quiet.
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I know most around here rely on guns for most situations. I don't know if it's fear or an inability to defend themselves without one. If I were you I'd carry a quick opening knife. I carry a Kershaw assisted opening for situations just like yours. Plus, knives are quiet.
And exactly how many times have you had to use that knife to defend yourself from a dog attack?

With a knife you have basically lowered yourself to the dog's level. In that while you are busy stabbing dog multiple times to try to kill it, the dog is busy tearing you up with his teeth. It's a race to see who kills who first and he is MUCH more experienced then you are at that type of fighting.

A pistol is much more effective at dealing with an attacking animal. Especially if you run into a PACK instead of just one.


Word of advice to any one going the knife route. When dog gets on you shove your arm fist first into its mouth and push as hard as you can into its throat. Do not simply stick your forearm across its open mouth. In the former the dog can't get a good bite and is being choked, while in the later it is chewing away on an apendage with some major arteries.

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Carry a stick.
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I've never had much of a problem with noisy dogs. The sneaky ones are another matter. Sounds like it staked out it's territory and didn't want anyone in there. That's what they do. Probably taking a nap and dreaming of the rabbit that got away when you woke it up.
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I know most around here rely on guns for most situations. I don't know if it's fear or an inability to defend themselves without one. If I were you I'd carry a quick opening knife. I carry a Kershaw assisted opening for situations just like yours. Plus, knives are quiet.
You do NOT want go one-on-one with a dag armed with a knife.
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I know most around here rely on guns for most situations. I don't know if it's fear or an inability to defend themselves without one.
What, everyone doesn't go to anti-dog defense classes?

We get it, you disapprove of the peasants being allowed to arm themselves.
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And exactly how many times have you had to use that knife to defend yourself from a dog attack?

With a knife you have basically lowered yourself to the dog's level In that while you are busy stabbing dog multiple times to try to kill it, the dog is busy tearing you up with his teeth. It's a race to see who kills who first and he is MUCH more experienced then you are at that type of fighting.

A pistol is much more effective at dealing with an attacking animal. Especially if you run into a PACK instead of just one.


Word of advice to any one going the knife route. When dog gets on you shove your arm fist first into its mouth and push as hard as you can into its throat. Do not simply stick your forearm across its open mouth. In the former the dog can't get a good bite and is being choked, while in the later it is chewing away on an apendage with some major arteries.
Zero. I don't go around looking to fight dogs but, I did buy the knife mentioned to protect myself against a pitbull that tore into 27 people. Having instincts and a realistic disposition about a dog attack helps. What the OP did in his situation was a good example of that. You on the other hand must imagine using a butter knife or don't know how or where to stab with a knife to save your life.

I prefer learning from other people's mistakes and successes as well as my own.

In the 1940s my dad was a young man. One night after midnight he was walking home and took a shorter route through a bad neighborhood. He had a habit of opening his pocketknife and sticking it in his back pocket loosely wrapped in his handkerchief when in imminent danger.

With the blade padded yet knife easy to grab an oversize German shepherd mix came running at him and lunged at his throat/face area. He pulled out his knife and as he blocked the dog's attack with his left forearm he stabbed the dog in the chest. The dog whimpered and fell over, and didn't even get to leave a mark.

Times were tough in the inner city on the worst side of town during the 1940s, and thru the 60s and 70s, when I was growing up. I was born in the projects and every neighborhood had gangs. "Rumbles" for turf were common among adjacent neighborhoods. Bats, chains, knives and guns were used. I never joined gangs. We weren't brought up that way.

I never carried a weapon back then. We used our fists. My dad taught us to box as kids, and to avoid fights if possible but never to cower away. There were reputations to defend and repercussions if you didn't.

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What, everyone doesn't go to anti-dog defense classes?

We get it, you disapprove of the peasants being allowed to arm themselves.
Don't worry your pretty lil head. I'm not lobbying to have your toys taken away from you. I have toys of my own. All I'm saying is guns aren't the only option for every situation. We gotta get our hands dirty when possible or risk going soft.
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Zero. I don't go around looking to fight dogs but, I did buy the knife mentioned to protect myself against a pitbull that tore into 27 people. Having instincts and a realistic disposition about a dog attack helps. What the OP did in his situation was a good example of that. You on the other hand must imagine using a butter knife or don't know how or where to stab with a knife to save your life.

I prefer learning from other people's mistakes and successes as well as my own.

In the 1940s my dad was a young man. One night after midnight he was walking home and took a shorter route through a bad neighborhood. He had a habit of opening his pocketknife and sticking it in his back pocket loosely wrapped in his handkerchief when in imminent danger.

With the blade padded yet knife easy to grab an oversize German shepherd mix came running at him and lunged at his throat/face area. He pulled out his knife and as he blocked the dog's attack with his left forearm he stabbed the dog in the chest. The dog whimpered and fell over, and didn't even get to leave a mark.

Times were tough in the inner city on the worst side of town during the 1940s, and thru the 60s and 70s, when I was growing up. I was born in the projects and every neighborhood had gangs. "Rumbles" for turf were common among adjacent neighborhoods. Bats, chains, knives and guns were used. I never joined gangs. We weren't brought up that way.

I never carried a weapon back then. We used our fists. My dad taught us to box as kids, and to avoid fights if possible but never to cower away. There were reputations to defend and repercussions if you didn't.
Your dad got LUCKY and pretty much the rest of your post is irrelevant to the subject at hand, Mr Internet Bad Ass.

A woman once killed a world record grizzly with her .22LR rifle but doing so again is not something I would bet my life on. 1953 World Record Grizzly Killed with .22 Rifle

You would actually be better served with a stun gun as no matter where you apply it the result will be the same. Unlike a knife that HAS to hit something vital to be effective. A determined dog can still kill you even as its bleeding out from multiple non-vital stabs.
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Your dad got LUCKY and pretty much the rest of your post is irrelevant to the subject at hand, Mr Internet Bad Ass.

A woman once killed a world record grizzly with her .22LR rifle but doing so again is not something I would bet my life on. 1953 World Record Grizzly Killed with .22 Rifle

You would actually be better served with a stun gun as no matter where you apply it the result will be the same. Unlike a knife that HAS to hit something vital to be effective. A determined dog can still kill you even as its bleeding out from multiple non-vital stabs.

The topic is not about grizzlies or werewolves. It's about a dog. One good stab will make any attacking dog whimper and stumble off or fall over.

It probably won't sway you much but, the purpose of my rambling was to point out that firsthand experience with conflicts in general matters. It's where "lucky" comes from.

A stun gun is not a bad idea, but too bulky for edc.
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