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does anyone know of any counter sniper actions you can perform when SHTF
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It's all situation dependent

They have the initial advantage unless you creep upon everything with a sharp eye and a good pair of binoculars!

Being camouflaged with your surroundings helps immensely......that doesn't necessarily mean wearing camo.....

You'll either need to spot him first or wait until he takes a shot

Got bait?

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"Got bait?"
yeah, know it all teenagers
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All of this is THEORETICAL for discussion only and is not intended for use unless SHTF/TEOTWAWKI happens for reals!

1. pre-scout your area out to a wide perimeter, find any & all hiding spots you can where a "sniper" can take a position. map these out carefully & memorize.

2. make as many of those hiding places untenable and inhospitable as possible, ie: fill in holes, put "birds nest" razor/barbed wire with many cans tied to it, wire thermite charges (get LEGAL thermite from welding supply stores i think) in these hides.

3. place any kind of barrier to block view of living and work areas to avoid them dialing in on someone.
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Post Katrina some idiot gang-banger set up in the parking structure of a critical care children’s hospital. He was pot shoting at doctors and transport workers trying to evacuate babies because the basement mechanicals area had been flooded.

The useless and corrupt New Orleans police couldn't even tell where the shots were coming from. National guard identified his firing position but didn't have anyone who could do anything about it (they were recovery and medical support personnel, not combat or rifleman troops).

After about five days someone brought in someone they called a "military professional". TV talking heads were going nuts over Posse Comititus laws, American troops shooting at American citizens, yadda, yadda, yadda.

The guy must have kept his head down for a day. Finally they got someone in body armor and a doctor's coat to act as bait and the guy popped up to take a few shots. A single shot from their "military professional" and the problem was solved. His Mama howled entrapment. Al Sharpton howled he didn't get his day in court. CNN demanded the professional's name and info. Then some other chicken ran by catching everyone's attention and they ran off to talk about that and everyone forgot the incident.

Short of the story is, best defence against a sniper is a better sniper.
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Just respawn no worries
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Post Katrina some idiot gang-banger set up in the parking structure of a critical care children’s hospital. He was pot shoting at doctors and transport workers trying to evacuate babies because the basement mechanicals area had been flooded.

The useless and corrupt New Orleans police couldn't even tell where the shots were coming from. National guard identified his firing position but didn't have anyone who could do anything about it (they were recovery and medical support personnel, not combat or rifleman troops).

After about five days someone brought in someone they called a "military professional". TV talking heads were going nuts over Posse Comititus laws, American troops shooting at American citizens, yadda, yadda, yadda.

The guy must have kept his head down for a day. Finally they got someone in body armor and a doctor's coat to act as bait and the guy popped up to take a few shots. A single shot from their "military professional" and the problem was solved. His Mama howled entrapment. Al Sharpton howled he didn't get his day in court. CNN demanded the professional's name and info. Then some other chicken ran by catching everyone's attention and they ran off to talk about that and everyone forgot the incident.

Short of the story is, best defence against a sniper is a better sniper.
TFB....and let me guess, he was one of the "dindu nuffin" crowd. During WWII, in the ETO, the Army had the perfect remedy to German snipers. A .50cal; took care of most sniper issues with relative ease.

The "military professional" could have easily been a SWAT sniper. "Military professional" adds a nice spin to the story though.
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life is not a videogame once you are dead you are dead self-preservation has been part of life since the beginning so no respawns and if ****, where to, hit the fan then I highly dought you are going to be staying in a bunker and never coming out so you are going to have to be around people at some point in which case people will see you and if you are healthy then for a lot of people you become a target so they can go feed their families and to perform a frontal assault on an enemy fortification with limited training then you would need approximately a 5:1 ratio whereas a sniper can take the place of 3-5 infantrymen depending on his/ her skill so logically why would you not prepare mentally and physically for you to be under attack I do like the idea of the birds nest I think Constantine wire might set up quicker and be more effective than barb wire at least.
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He might have been joking about the whole “respawn” thing.
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oh I did not think of that
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Very hard thing to cover. The best thing is to move around the towns. Don't follow the main paths or roads. Travel from building to building. Armies have the advantage of numbers and heavy vehicles. Night time traveling with FLIR or night vision would be a much better choice.
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The best way to handle a sniper is to have enough expendable targets to allow you to find him, and then a good enough shooter or enough heavy ordnance to kill him.

But really...what is this fantasy sniper DOING in your SHTF scenario? How did he get there? Why is he there? Why is he now exposing himself? What is he going to gain from his actions? Are you invading his AO, or vice versa?
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If you're talking "urban sniper", I would guess a high percentage, they're not professionals. "Hide" discipline is critical and not likely going to happen for the larger percentage of opportunistic snipers.

Counter sniper surveillance is key. Scouting an area thoroughly before navigating is a must. Keeping movements short and between significant cover is critical. Unless you identify them first, once they start shooting, your best COA is to evacuate the area. It takes way to much effort and resources to counter a sniper and even if they have poor discipline, they'll likely be in a very advantageous position. Yes, I'm assuming they'll have extremely poor marksmanship skills and it likely won't be a "one shot, one kill" threat...call me the optimist based on reports I've read. Unless foreign trained, even Afghan snipers sucked at accuracy.

Observation and patience are your best counters to an urban sniper...

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Want to avoid an urban sniper? Move around an urban area, bypass the city. Why go through a deadly kill zone when you can move around it?
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Study the Balkins and how people had to sneak about to gather food.
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I think a swat sniper would be useless past 300 meters or so, so military sniper most likely needed engagement requirement..

so I wonder what the platform was so the sniper had enough clearance for the shot without being spotted

the only way to counter snipe the sniper is to be on the same level as the person sniping the cannon fodder..

if know the general area the person is firing from as good as a swat team might be the reality is the sniper might not be in a range where police snipers operate in thus a military sniper may of been dispatched from the local National guard unit .. If requested from the head of the local government..

Sad to say in a Katrina event whatever emergency services are available are going t0o stretched so bloody thin to the point you will have to fend for yourself because the switch baord from the local emergency dispatch will be in meltdown within the 1st 2 hours of the 1st 12 hours..

you might be several days to several weeks before a disaster response team turns up to help and might be another 7-14 days after that before S&R and disaster relief gets operational..in that area..

as for combating a sniper or someone acting as a sniper is use the real thing rather than a pansy wannabe..

unless you are a dead eye daniel boone at more than 1000 meters chances are you can't shoot a horse shoe at 1000 meters chances are you be lucky to hit at 300 meters..

so someone within 250-1500 meters you be lucky hit even for an avid hunter

the only real way to stop sniper would be to lock down the carparks within 2-5 mile radius of any open door or plaza entrance and have 15-35% tinited glass where plausibly possible,,
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Post Katrina some idiot gang-banger set up in the parking structure of a critical care children’s hospital. He was pot shoting at doctors and transport workers trying to evacuate babies because the basement mechanicals area had been flooded.

The useless and corrupt New Orleans police couldn't even tell where the shots were coming from. National guard identified his firing position but didn't have anyone who could do anything about it (they were recovery and medical support personnel, not combat or rifleman troops).

After about five days someone brought in someone they called a "military professional". TV talking heads were going nuts over Posse Comititus laws, American troops shooting at American citizens, yadda, yadda, yadda.

The guy must have kept his head down for a day. Finally they got someone in body armor and a doctor's coat to act as bait and the guy popped up to take a few shots. A single shot from their "military professional" and the problem was solved. His Mama howled entrapment. Al Sharpton howled he didn't get his day in court. CNN demanded the professional's name and info. Then some other chicken ran by catching everyone's attention and they ran off to talk about that and everyone forgot the incident.

Short of the story is, best defence against a sniper is a better sniper.


Any documentation to support this story?
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life is not a videogame once you are dead you are dead self-preservation has been part of life since the beginning so no respawns and if ****, where to, hit the fan then I highly dought you are going to be staying in a bunker and never coming out so you are going to have to be around people at some point in which case people will see you and if you are healthy then for a lot of people you become a target so they can go feed their families and to perform a frontal assault on an enemy fortification with limited training then you would need approximately a 5:1 ratio whereas a sniper can take the place of 3-5 infantrymen depending on his/ her skill so logically why would you not prepare mentally and physically for you to be under attack I do like the idea of the birds nest I think Constantine wire might set up quicker and be more effective than barb wire at least.
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Any documentation to support this story?
found this
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/0...per/index.html
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Reason I asked swamp was I was one of those " Useless and corrupt" New Orleans policemen then and was at children's hospital and not only did I not receive fire from a "sniper". Children's hospital didn't flood, in fact it had fully operational back up power in place they only evacuated due to loss of water pressure and that evacuation was orderly and without incident. Patients were air evacuated to Texas and other places staff and families left in cars. At no time was there any snipers or " military" guys. And as for his view of the NOPD and it's officers like any profession there are bad employees. But to the thousands the rest of us assisted in rescuing using our personal boats I dare say they view us as not so useless.

The words of another that was there. While there were incidents and bad things that happened most have been embellished for various reasons or to fit a narrative.

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