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For bigger pests like raccoons and possums. What calibers and fps should I be look for to reliably put one of these down? Not trying to cause any suffering, but want something thatll put um down right away.
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A real gun....

But, I have a .22 air rifle that might almost make a dent in a possum or coon, with the right heavy pointed pellet.

The trick would be shot placement. Not sure a body shot will work. Or even penetrate a fat coon at any distance.
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My son lives in a sub-division with 2-3 acre lots. Shooting a firearm is against association rules. On the other hand, a pellet gun is completely legal. This is a great reason to own an air gun.

But for Survival reasons.... one can buy a darn good air rifle for under $200 and a few thousand pellets for dollars. When all the ammunition runs out, someone with a pellet gun is still killing small game to eat and survive.

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For low noise pest control which puts down the critters for keeps, without disturbing the neighbors, I light-load a .38 Special 148-grain lead HBWC, flush seated and taper crimped into the case with ONE GRAIN of Bullseye or Titegroup. I single-load these in my .357 lever-action rifle, or preferably use a single-shot break-open rifle I had purpose-built as a light, 4 pound, walking around garden gun.

The heavy, flat-nosed .38 wadcutter is accurate enough for 30 yard head shots and puts down even larger critters for keeps. When fired in a 24" rifle barrel it is hardly louder than an air rifle. Rifle velocity is about 450 fps. From a 6" revolver this load produces about 300 fps, about the minimum which will exit the barrel. Your mileage may vary.

From a revolver it is much louder, but you can shoot without ear protection and the report is like firing a cap pistol.

It is VERY important to start with a CLEAN, lightly oiled, then wiped barrel which is slightly "slick," rather than clean and dry, thus minimizing bore drag. Use only SOFT LEAD, lubricated bullets. NEVER jacketed, as you WILL stick one in the barrel! Keep a knock-out rod handy until you have confirmed that these minimum "Cat Sneeze" loads will reliably exit the barrel of your gun. If you can tolerate a bit more noise and want a safe and reliable load which always exits the bore and has about the report of .22 LR standard velocity, use the RCBS Little Dandy powder measure with the smallest #00 rotor they make, which meters 1.7 grains of Bullseye or Clays, or 2 grains of TiteGroup.

I had a custom rotor made which meters 1 grains of Bullseye or you can use a fired .22 Short case as a dip measure.
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A real gun....
Believe me, if didn't live in the suburbs, I'd just grabbed the 10/22 and been done with it long ago.

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But, I have a .22 air rifle that might almost make a dent in a possum or coon, with the right heavy pointed pellet.

The trick would be shot placement. Not sure a body shot will work. Or even penetrate a fat coon at any distance.
Some of these pellet guns are pushing 900 - 1200 fps. I'd like to hear experiences of body shots with these velocity. I'd imagine it'd be similar to connecting with a body shot on a human with a 308, 270, etc
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Foir low noise pest control which puts down the critters for keep, without disturbing the neighbors, I light-load a .38 Special 148-grain lead HBWC, flush seated and taper crimped into the case with ONE GRAIN of Bullseye or Titegroup, and single-load these in my .357 lever-action rifle, or use a single-shot break-open rifle I had purpose-built as a light walking around garden gun.

The heavy, flat-nosed .38 wadcutter puts down even larger critters for keeps and in a 24" rifle barrel is hardly louder than an air rifle. Velocity is about 450 fps. Fired from a 6" revolver this load produces about 300 fps, about the minimum which will exit the barrel. It is louder, but you can shoot without ear protection and the report is like firing a cap pistol.

VERY important to start with a CLEAN, lightly oiled, then wiped barrel which is "slick" and to use only SOFT lead, lubricated bullets. Keep a knock-out rod handy until you have confirmed that these minimum "Cat Sneeze" loads will exit the barrel of your gun.

I use a fired .22 Short case as a dip measure.
Unfortunately, I live in the suburbs, any type of firearm is out of the question. mine and my neighbors property are separated by a wall, nothing more, and the pests are typically on top of the wall.
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... want something thatll put um down right away.
...Heh, yes, amen to the 'use an actual Firearm', but there Are times when you do / will need to put something down, and NOT want the noise (and/or 'position revealing muzzle flash') post-target penetration-concerns, and (in some cases..) 'local Ordinances' ie: inside City limits, etc..

..For example, we had a veritable 'Possum motel' in our attic, and they had ed-up a Storm up there.. But just No-possible way I could use even a .22 up there... And 'trapping' worked - once - until the Other 'family' (prolly jumped the border.. came round, and were - Still - getting up there, despite blocking All 'visible entry points' (attic vent-ports..) After many weeks of 'how the Heck??..' investigations, turned out they were shimmying up an un-insulated wall section, between two studs, from a missing section of the sill plate ..So, a 'different message' needed to be sent..

..And This did it.. One shot, One kill, done.. https://www.airgundepot.com/sam-yang...air-rifle.html

...Yeah, it's an 'investment' (..you'll also need a tank / pump (and recommend Also to get a hand-pump, spare seals, etc) and Lots of lead, etc..) but Any Armaments are-such, and the 'big bores' are Definitely 'worth it' (imo..) Solid, solid 'backups for your backups', and/or solid 'alternatives' for unique-circumstances, as-above... Effective? Well, a 336 gr .50 cal slug slug sent downrange at 700-900 fps is Definitely something few living creatures - even 'Bipeds' - can argue with, especially with good shot placement...

..If you want 'mo powuh', there's even DIY kits for 'Tuning' them up, for better precision / more fps (ie: 800 fps+ with the kits mentioned here: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA...?topic=98290.0 ..or, these guys can tune one For you: https://sites.google.com/site/saddle...dragon-claw-50

..Oh yeah, and they can Shoot 'air bolts' (essentially a high-fps crossbow bolt with a barrel-snug nock, to fit these rifles...) Unbelievable punch with those... YouTube-search up vids on 'em.. Amazing.. (considering it's coming out of an Airgun...) ..I mean, there are 'hide-to-kill' length vids of guys taking Large bucks / Huge feral hogs with One shot, with these, so.. 'ain't no joke..

..If yer 'wallet is Fatter', can also highly recommend the 'AirForce Texan', specifically the 'SS' in .45... https://www.airgundepot.com/airforce...air-rifle.html ..Really nice, Plenty of punch, but.. Yeah, it's a quite bite out of the wallet (...which might be 'smarter spent' on your 'Real guns' / more ammo, etc..) ..But the 'Dragon claw' WILL take care of business, cleanly, quickly, accurately, and (relatively..) quietly.. Eclipses anything in .22 or even .25..

PS- Just now seeing your replies, above.. Yes, for your context, even one of These 'big bores' might be too much for nosey-neighbors... And, you WILL need to consider trajectory, since these rifles WILL send even an HP round clean thru any possum / coon, etc, and Keep goin, so... Maybe if you can 'coax' the targets against a proper backstop / block-wall, etc.. Otherwise, you just might need to look at traps..

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A good nitro piston or springer rifle in either 177 or 22 will take most varmints with proper shot placement. While it may be an issue where you live a nice 22 BB cap will do nice work and is not loud.
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For bigger pests like raccoons and possums. What calibers and fps should I be look for to reliably put one of these down? Not trying to cause any suffering, but want something thatll put um down right away.
It all depends on your local laws, and your neighbors who may turn you in.

There was a guy who used an air soft gun that shoots plastic BBs about 400fps shooting at rubber ducks in his back yard and got caught and arrested in New Jersey (for example).

At my house, the key is: don't get caught.

I had a rabbit destroying my garden about 5 years ago. I almost hit it from the third floor with a arrow from a compound bow. I scared it so badly it decided to go bother my libtard Neighbors instead. Never saw it again.

If you can sight the animal in from about 3 feet inside your house you may get away with shooting it in your area, if you use a pellet gun. But keep in mind most pellet gun are not completely silent.

.22 would be the minimum in my opinion but now days they have larger pellets that I would also consider.

Crossbow is worth considering also. Everything changes as to what's available and what's legal in your area. As well as how nosy your neighbor is.
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For your stated use I would look at .25 cal and up, Probably PCP to get close to 1000 fps. Gas piston and .22 if you were not going to shot coons. Check out Pyramyd Air

https://www.pyramydair.com/a/Air_gun.../calibers_0_25
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...Heh, yes, amen to the 'use an actual Firearm', but there Are times when you do / will need to put something down, and NOT want the noise (and/or 'position revealing muzzle flash') post-target penetration-concerns, and (in some cases..) 'local Ordinances' ie: inside City limits, etc..

..For example, we had a veritable 'Possum motel' in our attic, and they had ed-up a Storm up there.. But just No-possible way I could use even a .22 up there... And 'trapping' worked - once - until the Other 'family' (prolly jumped the border.. came round, and were - Still - getting up there, despite blocking All 'visible entry points' (attic vent-ports..) After many weeks of 'how the Heck??..' investigations, turned out they were shimmying up an un-insulated wall section, between two studs, from a missing section of the sill plate ..So, a 'different message' needed to be sent..

..And This did it.. One shot, One kill, done.. https://www.airgundepot.com/sam-yang...air-rifle.html

...Yeah, it's an 'investment' (..you'll also need a tank / pump (and recommend Also to get a hand-pump, spare seals, etc) and Lots of lead, etc..) but Any Armaments are-such, and the 'big bores' are Definitely 'worth it' (imo..) Solid, solid 'backups for your backups', and/or solid 'alternatives' for unique-circumstances, as-above... Effective? Well, a 336 gr .50 cal slug slug sent downrange at 700-900 fps is Definitely something few living creatures - even 'Bipeds' - can argue with, especially with good shot placement...

..If you want 'mo powuh', there's even DIY kits for 'Tuning' them up, for better precision / more fps (ie: 800 fps+ with the kits mentioned here: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA...?topic=98290.0 ..or, these guys can tune one For you: https://sites.google.com/site/saddle...dragon-claw-50

..Oh yeah, and they can Shoot 'air bolts' (essentially a high-fps crossbow bolt with a barrel-snug nock, to fit these rifles...) Unbelievable punch with those... YouTube-search up vids on 'em.. Amazing.. (considering it's coming out of an Airgun...) ..I mean, there are 'hide-to-kill' length vids of guys taking Large bucks / Huge feral hogs with One shot, with these, so.. 'ain't no joke..

..If yer 'wallet is Fatter', can also highly recommend the 'AirForce Texan', specifically the 'SS' in .45... https://www.airgundepot.com/airforce...air-rifle.html ..Really nice, Plenty of punch, but.. Yeah, it's a quite bite out of the wallet (...which might be 'smarter spent' on your 'Real guns' / more ammo, etc..) ..But the 'Dragon claw' WILL take care of business, cleanly, quickly, accurately, and (relatively..) quietly.. Eclipses anything in .22 or even .25..

PS- Just now seeing your replies, above.. Yes, for your context, even one of These 'big bores' might be too much for nosey-neighbors... And, you WILL need to consider trajectory, since these rifles WILL send even an HP round clean thru any possum / coon, etc, and Keep goin, so... Maybe if you can 'coax' the targets against a proper backstop / block-wall, etc.. Otherwise, you just might need to look at traps..

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From reading your location, your a fellow angelino lol, hey there neighbor. In any case, Im not looking to invest in kits or in a $1000+ air rifle. Just something I can pick up at under $120 that'll do the job. So far Im leaning towards a 22 cal break action and running flat nose hollow point pellets.



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It all depends on your local laws, and your neighbors who may turn you in.

There was a guy who used an air soft gun that shoots plastic BBs about 400fps shooting at rubber ducks in his back yard and got caught and arrested in New Jersey (for example).

At my house, the key is: don't get caught.

I had a rabbit destroying my garden about 5 years ago. I almost hit it from the third floor with a arrow from a compound bow. I scared it so badly it decided to go bother my libtard Neighbors instead. Never saw it again.

If you can sight the animal in from about 3 feet inside your house you may get away with shooting it in your area, if you use a pellet gun. But keep in mind most pellet gun are not completely silent.

.22 would be the minimum in my opinion but now days they have larger pellets that I would also consider.

Crossbow is worth considering also. Everything changes as to what's available and what's legal in your area. As well as how nosy your neighbor is.
I see what your saying, but my concern is exclusively over penetration which will, without a doubt happen, with a firearm of any caliber. In my case, I see the them on top of the walls and never on the ground where the dirt will negate on any chances of ricochet. Noise thankfully is something I dont have to worry about, just the neighbors actually seeing the gun.


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A good nitro piston or springer rifle in either 177 or 22 will take most varmints with proper shot placement. While it may be an issue where you live a nice 22 BB cap will do nice work and is not loud.
Yeah I see myself ending up with a break action.

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My son lives in a sub-division with 2-3 acre lots. Shooting a firearm is against association rules. On the other hand, a pellet gun is completely legal. This is a great reason to own an air gun.

But for Survival reasons.... one can buy a darn good air rifle for under $200 and a few thousand pellets for dollars. When all the ammunition runs out, someone with a pellet gun is still killing small game to eat and survive.

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A Beeman Grizly x2 (springer) with the 22 cal barrel installed and a pointed pellet, will penetrate 12 " of water jug at 30 ft. That's the equiv. of 6" of ballistic gel. A 12 gauge target load get's the same penetration at that distance. Plenty enough penetration to instantly kill a coon if you hit the brain. A pointed pellet goes in one side of the coons skull and out the other. It's no longer legal to shoot coons with a pellet rifle in FL so don't do that unless the rule of law is no more and you have no survival alternative but to kill and eat coon.
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I did my research and this one is a steal for $99.

https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Crosm...Air_Rifle/3233

Recently purchased three of them for Christmas gifts in .22. When they arrived, I shot them all and they group really tight.

Downside... sights are cheap and flimsy, but these three guns will be scoped.
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From reading your location, your a fellow angelino lol, hey there neighbor. In any case, Im not looking to invest in ...a $1000+ air rifle....
Hah! Wouldn't that be a hoot if we were Actually neighbors, and the 'wall' was the Same wall ours used to get up close to the house?! ..But, yah, even in true Life or Death / totally-legit home-defense situ's, we've sure got the decks stacked against us here, eh? Totally Sucks, but... Therein is the 'silver lining' to the 'Big Bores'... Will take out even a Bipedal-threat, if / when needed, so... Double-duty...

..Anyhoo, if you can consider a Bit more on the Budget, my Son has one of these pups... https://www.airgundepot.com/gamo-swa...le-22-cal.html ...Works well, though the 'break' is a Workout.. Still, a solid hole-puncher, and I'm sure you could find it closer to yer budget, w/ no scope..

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When I used to live in Fairfax County, VA TPTB made no distinction between an air rifle or a firearm. If I needed to shoot something I wanted it dead, one shot, right now. The rook rifle with "cat sneeze" is perfect. ONE shot is seldom noticed amid background noise.

Multiple shots, even if low noise level are always noticed because local gov't has "shot spotter" microphones mounted on cellular towers. If acoustic characteristics meet ID criteria for a probable firearm discharge, multiple cell towers will auto-triangulate location and dispatch the closest police unit. This technology is already widely deployed in Washington, DC; Baltimore, MD.; NYC, Boston; Los Angeles; St. Louis; probably other places.

But a single discharge of than 90dB is likely lost in the random noise level and will be screened out as a false positive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunfire_locator A gunfire locator or gunshot detection system is a system that detects and conveys the location of gunfire or other weapon fire using acoustic, optical, or potentially other types of sensors, as well as a combination of such sensors. These systems are used by law enforcement, security, military and businesses to identify the source and, in some cases, the direction of gunfire and/or the type of weapon fired. Most systems possess three main components:

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Systems used in urban settings integrate a geographic information system so the display includes a map and address location of each incident.
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A proper PCP in .25 or .30 can outperform a rimfire (other than a .22 magnum) for terminal ballistics out to 50 yards, primarily because the projectile is larger caliber, cooler (cold projectiles do more damage than hot projectiles), and expands more easily (nearly pure lead). I’ve been a coon hunter my whole life and a .25 airgun outperforms a .22LR on lung shots almost every time on a fraction of the energy.

The right one is going to cost you some coin though. About $1000 after you factor in an air source. Look into an Airforce Condor SS in .25 or an Airforce Texan SS in .308. The SS .308 is also a deer slayer when set up with heavy bullets. But it can be turned down to shoot .30 pellets for several shots.

If you’re on a budget, look into a Hatsan Flash in .25. Can be picked up for under $300 and filled with a $40 hand pump. Very quiet and accurate, although you’ll want to stick with brain shots most of the time due to its power level. Expect it to shoot a 25 grain pellet in the 880sfps or so.
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Believe me, if didn't live in the suburbs, I'd just grabbed the 10/22 and been done with it long ago.


Some of these pellet guns are pushing 900 - 1200 fps. I'd like to hear experiences of body shots with these velocity. I'd imagine it'd be similar to connecting with a body shot on a human with a 308, 270, etc
I'd use a 22 caliber at 600-800 fps, but don't expect body shots to put them down quickly. Only a good head/spine shot will do that.
Heavy, pointed or domed pellets will give the best results.

The only way to get higher velocities is to use lighter pellets that won't give you the needed penetration.

You can find a lot of good info here:

http://www.pyramydair.com
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Im using a Crosman Nitro-Piston 177 caliber with 10.5gr domed pellets also made by Crosman (known as premier magnums).

So far I have dropped racoon turkey, pheasant, rabbit, and squirrel.....plus all types of small birds and crows. Turkey was the only head shot, all else fell to a heart/lung shot.

I find that the crosman premier magnums 177 10.5 grains have a better accuracy and trajectory than the 14.5 grain 22 pellets and have the same if not better knock down power as they drive deeper than the 22 pellets.


I have also found that if using a nitro-piston air-rifle the heavy pellets do much better in all departments than the light ones. domed pellets work best, better than the pointed, flat, and hollow point.
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I'm a fan of the 177 pellet rifle. But lately I have been practicing with my 30# compound bow. I have a 60# compound as well as a 50 for hunting. the 30# is just easier to shoot and its short, <48". In a time of chaos, one should have options. An arrow across the yard is functional. An arrow over the fence is not so functional. I like my 177 nitro. My wife saw a hunting buddy shoot a turkey with his .25 PCP, she told me that I needed one. I"m thinking a pcp in .22. Still a 28" carbon arrow with the proper broad head shot from my 30# bow is deadly.
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Small town here. I had a possum that I shot from the deck with my 177 Beeman. Right behind the shoulder. Pellet is still lodged in the garage siding. Possum went about 20'.
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