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Can a cell phone be tapped, like a landline phone? Any one know how if that, can be done ?

I don't know, if this is in the right spot .
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"They" already listen to us through our smart phones. Not paranoia, its happened too many times to be coincidences to prove "they" do. Wife and I have had many conversations where the subject of said discussions have shown up on social media, amazon recommendations and pinterest just from the conversations and sans any internet search or discussion. Only from person to person discussions. It happens on a regular basis. Our phones being the only thing other than us present. Just another reason I'll not get any devices like amazon alexa or dot. No need to give "them" another means to keep tabs on us.
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Yes.

Extremely yes.
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There is nothing secure about a cell phone conversation. Anyone with the right equipment can listen to those conversations.
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If you ever have your phone closed, screen off and no apps going, and your phone is above ambient temps, it’s likely someone is using your phone to listen or track you because it uses more power and generates heat. I have had this happen. I turned my phone off. It was turned back on and the person who called claimed that my number was a “government “ number. I tried to change phones and carriers and numbers later and was refused because it was listed as a government owned number. That was with a Nextel back about 2004-5. I’m sure things have progressed since then.
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"Rat Phones" have been used by LE for decades. ANY phone can be hacked.

The only way to have your phone secure is to pull BOTH the battery AND the SIM card.

That's why OC and terrorists are going back to old school tradecraft.

Primitive methods can be secure. Dead drops, one-time pads, edible flash paper.
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"They" already listen to us through our smart phones. Not paranoia, its happened too many times to be coincidences to prove "they" do. Wife and I have had many conversations where the subject of said discussions have shown up on social media, amazon recommendations and pinterest just from the conversations and sans any internet search or discussion. Only from person to person discussions. It happens on a regular basis. Our phones being the only thing other than us present. Just another reason I'll not get any devices like amazon alexa or dot. No need to give "them" another means to keep tabs on us.

My wife and I have noticed the same thing!
And we have tested this theory with small conversations where she and I and the cell phones were the only things present in the room... It's happened WAY TOO MANY times to be coincidence!
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Can a cell phone be tapped, like a landline phone? Any one know how if that, can be done ?

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Yes. The law requires cell phones and other devices to be capable of having traffic intercepted and routed to government agencies. I've designed that into cable, telco, and other systems to meet that requirement.
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"They" already listen to us through our smart phones. Not paranoia, its happened too many times to be coincidences to prove "they" do. Wife and I have had many conversations where the subject of said discussions have shown up on social media, amazon recommendations and pinterest just from the conversations and sans any internet search or discussion. Only from person to person discussions. It happens on a regular basis. Our phones being the only thing other than us present. Just another reason I'll not get any devices like amazon alexa or dot. No need to give "them" another means to keep tabs on us.
That capability exists with your smartphone but I'm not aware of any business tapping into your phone conversations or using the smartphone to listen in on you without invoking Alexa, etc. More likely your "cookies" are being tracked and they reflect your lifestyle. Internet providers, including your phone company, do watch your data traffic and sometimes intercept data. But not phone traffic.

When "tapping" our phone the government intercepts the traffic within the network. Your phone doesn't "know" you are being tapped. Thus battery life etc aren't affected.

I assume everything I say on a cellular network is recorded on a government system.
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Not sure if this is what you mean, there are apps that 1 party can record the conversation without the other one knowing. Not sure if you can install and run it on a phone without either knowing. If you could hide the running app you could record all calls from that phone and upload to the "big beautiful cloud".
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By their very nature all cell phones are "tapped". Kelly Anne Conway would like to remind you, so is your microwave.
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I got a notification on my phone that Instagram wanted me to see what they had trending. It happen to be Batman and my friends name. My friend has a very odd name that I had never heard until I met him.

I also dont have an Instagram account.

Your phone is listening.

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If you mean voice transmissions:

It's not as easy as it used to be, and probably not as easy as people think it is to listen in. Before they went digital you could literally listen to a cell phone conversation with a cheap scanner. (You can still do that with cordless landline phones)

Now they're digital transmissions, and they have some basic level of encryption and I'm not sure what type. So regular folks can't spy. I mean you can hear it with a digital scanner but it will be beeps and noises.

Not sure how you would get the equipment to decrypt it, but I'm sure its out there on the black market somewhere. Would be illegal to possess for everyone except Big Brother.
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Can a cell phone be tapped, like a landline phone? Any one know how if that, can be done ?

I don't know, if this is in the right spot .
Look up 'cloned phones'.
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well no trusting cell phones !
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My brother-in-law was a high end IT guy for one of the major telecomms, he just retired. His response to "can cell phones be tapped / monitored / etc." has always been a hearty laugh followed by "of course they can". He said he did not do that because he never cared to, but then he'd lay out how technically easy it is to do. There you go.
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If you mean voice transmissions:

It's not as easy as it used to be, and probably not as easy as people think it is to listen in. Before they went digital you could literally listen to a cell phone conversation with a cheap scanner. (You can still do that with cordless landline phones)

Now they're digital transmissions, and they have some basic level of encryption and I'm not sure what type. So regular folks can't spy. I mean you can hear it with a digital scanner but it will be beeps and noises.

Not sure how you would get the equipment to decrypt it, but I'm sure its out there on the black market somewhere. Would be illegal to possess for everyone except Big Brother.
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Phones can be tapped by " man in the middle" using a Stingray device. Many local police agencies have them and that is enough to suspect that it can be done at local level if you are running for police chief or mayor, you should worry.

At a federal level, Stingray is used along with wiretaps directly into the cellphone network. All this requires a warrant to be admissible evidence. However the concept of parallel construction is used to get warrants after the fact.

Bottom line is that if you have any notion that your telephone and internet communications are secure you are naive. Don't even bother with the secure services being offered, they should be seen as suspicious.

You can buy various surplus encryption devices , like surplus land mobile police radios, to work over the airwaves in simplex and off the network. If they are AES256 or DES56, and you are very very careful, you can communicate short range.

But if you are at a political rally or demonstration, it is possible all airwaves can be recorded for later decryption.

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Can a cell phone be tapped, like a landline phone? Any one know how if that, can be done ?



I don't know, if this is in the right spot .
It is far easier now than when doing a landline bug that required physical attachment.

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I am told that even a STU-3 isn't completely secure if operated other than within a SCIF.
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I'm an old telcom worker. Yes any phone can be tapped. It doesn't require special equipment at the Central Office. Translations in the switch at the CO routes it over a specified trunk in and out (to whom ever you called).

Both sides of the conversation are available. I've "heard" that software on the phone can allow remote activation of your phone.

Best bet is an RF proof container such as this:

https://www.amazon.com/Anti-tracking.../dp/B00ITR3KCQ

Test to see if it works by calling your phone. Some older smart phone allow the battery to be removed etc.

On today's networks your conversation isn't encrypted, just digitized.
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