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Old 08-26-2018, 10:32 PM
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Hippocratic oath?

There are multiple risks to transfusion, increased logarithmically with fresh whole blood. Blood group compatibility set aside.

The better choice would be the liquid component (plasma), which requires centrifugation (or long term refrigerated settling of cellular components).

Perhaps they normally lack simple basic medical equipment in the field? Sure they may have portable equipment for blood work, portable fridges for meds (and vaccines) in the field, but perhaps lack the larger equipment.

Anyways, in short, that’s a human unprocessed vaccine. Giving someone immunity/partial immunity from someone else’s “blood”. Highly unethical in the “norm”.
They did try it. But passive immune therapy did not work for ebola. There are plenty of research studies on the experiement they performed during the last outbreak, and there was no significant statistical difference between the group that received the antibodies, and those who did not.

I have believed for a long time, ebola patients die from a cytokine storm, not the virus. Adding more immune agents to the mix does little to stop the immune response... my own spin on the data.


EDIT: I found it. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1511812

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Moreover, the administration of convalescent plasma requires intravenous access, which could have resulted in an increased administration of intravenous fluid beyond the plasma transfusion. Such factors (e.g., possible variability in supportive care and in administration of intravenous fluids) could have contributed to lowering the mortality in the convalescent-plasma group, but despite this fact, we did not find significantly lower mortality among the patients who received convalescent plasma than among patients who did not.
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Blood in africa likely has high likely hood of carrying things like hiv, malaria, and other diseases.

Something like 10% of ebola victims are health workers. This is after using protective equipment, gloves gowns masks, not i believe space suits.
And remember it is very difficult to contract the virus, and it is not airborne... BTW that's sarcasm.
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And remember it is very difficult to contract the virus, and it is not airborne...
Unless the infected person coughs, sneezes, or speaks. Then it's airborne for about 45 minutes in a 25 foot or so area and coats all the surfaces in that area.
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I thought Ebola was supposed to have killed us all by 2015?
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I thought Ebola was supposed to have killed us all by 2015?
For some reason it's only a problem at mid terms.
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Meh........ quarantine the whole country.
That part of Africa has been the bunghole of misery for millennia.

Joseph Conrad didn't use the title- The Heart of Darkness for nothing.

Recent history the Congo Wars, Rwanda genocide, coup's and counter coup's .

What's not to like? Get out the bio hazard suits, body bags and flame throwers. We are gonna be culturally enriched.

My thoughts are treat by containing it period. It seems all this treatment is doing is risking it's spread. It's a virus it doesn't give a rat's rip about the high and mighty intention of any do gooder medical personnel, period. It's an equal opportunity killer.
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I thought Ebola was supposed to have killed us all by 2015?
If nothing was done about it and they left Doctors Without Borders, WHO, and the CDC to deal with it. Fortunately the African countries took control and got very serious about containment just before it spilled out into the 1st world countries who wouldn't be willing to impose draconian quarantine and isolation measures.

Not sure Congo has anyone who's capable of such measures regardless of will, notwithstanding a foreign military invasion.
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I thought Ebola was supposed to have killed us all by 2015?
We were all killed by Global Warming...errrrrrrrrr, Climate Change......years ago, just as Al Gore predicted, this is some kind of Purgatory we are all wandering through, just relax and enjoy the absurdity.
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Robert Redfield (CDC U.S. Director), just returned from the area and he stated = "... in two weeks, we’ve gone from 24 cases to 105 cases".

LINK: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/...fcL&OCID=HPDHP
and what about the homicides in gun strict chicago what are their death rates?

not downplaying the situation at hand but being for real
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We were all killed by Global Warming...errrrrrrrrr, Climate Change......years ago, just as Al Gore predicted, this is some kind of Purgatory we are all wandering through, just relax and enjoy the absurdity.
Nah. I'm still here enjoying my ocean front property in Missouri.
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and what about the homicides in gun strict chicago what are their death rates?

not downplaying the situation at hand but being for real
Thanks to the elimination of firearms MurderDeathKills do not happen in the great city of Chicago.
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Thanks to the elimination of firearms MurderDeathKills do not happen in the great city of Chicago.
I still dont know how the three shells work
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I still dont know how the three shells work
It's graphic, so I'll just link instead of post the instructions.

http://www.i-mockery.com/shorts/thre...ells-print.gif
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and what about the homicides in gun strict chicago what are their death rates?

not downplaying the situation at hand but being for real
I would rather take my chances in Chicago. You?

The truth is, the situation is probably worse than being reported. The area, due to constant war lacks many medical facilities. Also, there is a strong distrust in that area due to the constant war.

If you cannot physically gain access to the Islamist, militant controlled provenance, then you cannot count, contain, or treat. That 115 have been identified should give pause to consider the potential for this to rapidly grow.

Furthermore, consider the potential bio-terrorism a militant islamist group could deploy to the neighboring waring locations when they have ebola patients in their towns... Imagine what a vest bomb could do in a crowd with an infected person....

A little creativity with an ebola patient in a militant muslim controlled war-torn area really scales the possibilities. Don't you agree?
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Perhaps they are figuring out how to address outbreaks:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/02/h...e=sectionfront
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That transparent isolation module is pretty clever.


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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKCN1LK1HY

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GOMA, Democratic Republic of Congo (Reuters) - Two South African peacekeepers were wounded in a rebel ambush near the epicenter of an Ebola outbreak in eastern Democratic Republic of Congo, their U.N. mission said on Tuesday.
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Can someone please call Africa and tell its citizens to stop banging monkeys...the rest of the world's population would thank you.
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Can someone please call Africa and tell its citizens to stop banging monkeys...the rest of the world's population would thank you.
It's more a matter of them eating the monkeys and any other meat they can get their hands on because food is scarce.
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Yup, that's the kicker on this outbreak.
Violence at the wrong place and time can be really bad.
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