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We have a few nasty examples of Hymenoptera you might want to explore. Most are anaphylaxis threats and some, like Africanized honeybees, can kill you with numbers, even without any particular sensitivity.

And there are jellyfish off the coasts and you definitely don't want to get bit by a shrew.
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We have a few nasty examples of Hymenoptera you might want to explore. Most are anaphylaxis threats and some, like Africanized honeybees, can kill you with numbers, even without any particular sensitivity.

And there are jellyfish off the coasts and you definitely don't want to get bit by a shrew.
All true, but most people are aware of Hymenoptra and jellyfish, and tend to avoid them. Shrews, yes, they bite, but 1, they look like mice, and 2, they STINK! Most people won't tend towards handling them.

The focus was on animals that people either don't know much about, and are likely to come across. That said, I thought about covering the fire ant (Solenopsis invicta), and the yellow harvester ant (Pogonomyrmex maricopa), but most people don't like ants and avoid them. The Yellow harvester ant is one of the most dangerously venomous insects in the world, but they don't live around people much. Basically, deep desert dwellers. I also will include a pic of the Velvet ant (Dasymutilla occidentalis). They aren't ants, but flightless wasps, and they HURT when they sting!

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I see lots of velvet ants. Not all are red. I've seen yellow and white and some that don't look velvety at all.

Africanized honeybee problem is getting really serious. Not the "Oh [email protected]#$%^! the cow just stepped on a yellow jacket nest and I'm right behind her." variety. Rather the "I am being attacked by thousands of bees and I might not make it to see another day" variety.

I have been told and have read a couple places that the sting of the Tarantula Hawk is the most painful insect sting in the world. First aid was described as "Fall to the ground and writhe in agony for an hour and then you'll be okay." Fortunately they are not at all aggressive and most stings come from idiots who mess with them. Beneficial insects who sip nectar and can take out a tarantula in stinger to fang combat. As such I think it deserves an honorable mention in these hallowed halls of data.

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Thank GOD, I only have bears to be OPSEC about. OK, I have a "LOT" of bears to be paying close attention to their behavior, especially when they are in the back yard.
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I see lots of velvet ants. Not all are red. I've seen yellow and white and some that don't look velvety at all.

Africanized honeybee problem is getting really serious. Not the "Oh [email protected]#$%^! the cow just stepped on a yellow jacket nest and I'm right behind her." variety. Rather the "I am being attacked by thousands of bees and I might not make it to see another day" variety.

I have been told and have read a couple places that the sting of the Tarantula Hawk is the most painful insect sting in the world. First aid was described as "Fall to the ground and writhe in agony for an hour and then you'll be okay." Fortunately they are not at all aggressive and most stings come from idiots who mess with them. Beneficial insects who sip nectar and can take out a tarantula in stinger to fang combat. As such I think it deserves an honorable mention in these hallowed halls of data.

Agreed! I've Been stung by the Pepsis wasp (Tarantula hawk), a bullet ant, AND a yellow harvester ant ON PURPOSE (The latter, I wish I wouldn'tve done!)! The harvester ant was the WORST!! Seems like it went right to my stomach. I threw up for a couple days, and my toe was throbbing the whole time! Bullet ant was extremely painful, but short in duration. The Tarantula hawk, was as painful as the Harvester ant, minus the nausea, and duration. I don't know why I don't follow my own advice. I can't not touch! I have allowed myself to be stung by ants, hornets, scorpions, and water beetles....... On purpose, mind you.

Why?

1) I'm curious.

2) I'm an idiot.


Name it, I've probably been stung by it! The Hognose snake was the scariest envenomation I've ever had!.

One of these days, I'll list what I've been stung by (Pretty long list!), and rate them by stupidity level.
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Pogonomyrmex maricopa? For overall toxicity I believe it is the worst. Contains an alkaloid poison. One sting can kill a mouse. It bites you with very powerful mandibles and hangs on while stinging multiple times. This releases a pheromone telling every other ant in the neighborhood to come and sting you. Very bad juju, that.

Yes. You are a very curious idiot.
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Pogonomyrmex maricopa? For overall toxicity I believe it is the worst. Contains an alkaloid poison. One sting can kill a mouse. It bites you with very powerful mandibles and hangs on while stinging multiple times. This releases a pheromone telling every other ant in the neighborhood to come and sting you. Very bad juju, that.

Yes. You are a very curious idiot.
YUP! Very bad! My stings have all been under controlled laboratory conditions (except one). The harvester ant was in hemostats, and placed on my big toe. I didn't want it stinging my hand. Within 10 minutes, I started projectile vomiting, blurry (slightly) vision. I thought I was going to vomit my guts out. I couldn't smell anything, or taste anything for a couple days, my kidneys hurt. my toe felt like it was being squeezed in a red-hot vice for two days. The feeling was really sickening. That one, I wish I hadn't done.

I allowed an Asian giant hornet (Vespa mandarinia) to sting me once. I let it crawl around on my hand for an hour. Very docile creature. I had to literally, press it pretty hard on my thigh, to get it to sting, but not hard enough to hurt it. It was bad, but not nearly as bad as P, maricopa, and much like P. grossa, without the "electric shock" effect. I don't think it gave me a real bad sting.

After an hour, when I stopped screaming like a little girl, I picked up the same wasp, and it was as docile as ever.

The Bullet ant is supposed to have the most painful sting..... I disagree. The pain from P. maricopa, was just as painful, if not a bit more so, but with an added "sickening" feeling, longer duration, and a lot more swelling.
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Question from Oklahoma here. We have WDB rattlers where I live. They have several "rattlesnake festivals" in the early spring around the state where they ultimately kill all snakes that they catch.

I have heard that because of these massive hunts, they are starting to find a larger number of WDB's that either do not have a rattler, or do not rattle. Somewhat of an evolution that the snakes that have mutated to not have a rattler, do not get caught, thus are able to reproduce.

Have you heard anything similar to this?
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Question from Oklahoma here. We have WDB rattlers where I live. They have several "rattlesnake festivals" in the early spring around the state where they ultimately kill all snakes that they catch.

I have heard that because of these massive hunts, they are starting to find a larger number of WDB's that either do not have a rattler, or do not rattle. Somewhat of an evolution that the snakes that have mutated to not have a rattler, do not get caught, thus are able to reproduce.

Have you heard anything similar to this?
There are Island rattlers off the coast of CA. that have no rattles.

And yes, I'm starting to run into more and more rattlers that won't give you a warning.

Adaptation maybe? Probably.

Copperheads, Timber rattlers, Southern Pacific rattlers, all developing more dangerous venom. Adaption for the same reason, probably.
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And some of them lose their rattle along the way, like this guy. Very much alive and well but unable to make that loud warning rattle.

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My understanding is that there are several different subspecies of the Mojave and that they have differing venoms. Some are more neurotoxic and some are more hemotoxic.
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My understanding is that there are several different subspecies of the Mojave and that they have differing venoms. Some are more neurotoxic and some are more hemotoxic.
Type A and type B. Type A makes up around 85% of Mojaves, they're the ones with the most toxic venom (Neurotoxin). Type B has both types of venom, found mostly in So.Cal. Type B is STILL more dangerous than any rattler besides the type A.
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And some of them lose their rattle along the way, like this guy. Very much alive and well but unable to make that loud warning rattle.

Looks like he may suffer from "Rattle-envy".
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Just an example of how quickly you can get into trouble with a venomous creature, Miss "V" (Daughter) was playing hide and seek yesterday, she hid under a truck........ She put her arm right on a fire ant nest. Now her left arm looks like it has smallpox! I'm just glad she's not allergic.

I guess the stings aren't bothering her that much (Looks nasty though). She seems more concerned about kids at school, seeing her arm full of "zits".

I sprayed her arm (more like doused it) with Windex after she got home, and today, the blisters seem to be shriveling up.

I heard from someone that Windex, or ammonia, will dry the blisters up. Seems to be working. I'm just glad she didn't lay on a bigger nest, or lay down on it with her body!
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I recall get stung by something looking much like this as a child and it really, really hurt.
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I'm sorry, the quote didn't get picked up. I got stung by a velvet ant or something looking very much like it.
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The most dangerous creatures i find in the bush, is man!
I love practicing & teaching Swamp survival. Yes, there are dangerous animals, gators, snakes....but water and food is so easily accessible...
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And some of them lose their rattle along the way, like this guy. Very much alive and well but unable to make that loud warning rattle.

Kill IT! Kill it with fire!
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There debating if Rattlers have adapted to "not rattle" because it actually brings more attention to them
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