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Old 10-22-2019, 12:03 AM
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Currently I hunt elk with a few .308 bolt action rifles, a 30-06 bolt or my DPMS AP4 .308.

I want something smaller and/or lighter than my DMPS. I find myself not carrying it as much because of the weight and how cumbersome it is.

I need to find an AR-10 that is closer to 7 pounds than 8 pounds. (ie: like the DPMS lightweight carbine at 7.25)

OR

I am very interested in a bullpup design. (like the K&M Bullpup) They are around 8 pounds I think but most of the weight is near the rear and the are very short maneuverable rifles so the weight issue is less of...well.. an issue.

My shots are generally less than 80 yards so precision accuracy isn't my main concern. I will scope this rifle with a 2-7 lightweight scope.
Thus, what do you recommend? Specific models please. For an AR, I want to stay close to $1,000. For a bullpup I realize I will have to go higher. Pros and Cons? Will the bullpup be too loud for unprotected ears (I don't wear ear protection while hunting)
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what about a 308 pistol?
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POF Revolution.

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.308 WIN 16.5" (1:10) 14.5" M-RAIL 7.3lbs 34"
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What about a Remington auto or a solcom 16 ?

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I forgot to mention that. A pistol would work as well.
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WHY NOT just build a dedicated elk gun in a nice light weight bolt gun instead of trying to force something else to do what it was not designed to do?

I took an old Mauser action and by the time I got done paring it down, cutting bbl back to 16 1/2" took the military stock and went at it with the saw and router and drill removing all the excess wood not needed for strength I had a 5lb 4oz scoped .308.

Personally for elk I would up it to a .358Win just a necked up .308 case but a LOT more pop.

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if you don't care on how purrrttteee it looks when done, you can really cut away a lot of unneeded weight. Like the forearm, all that wood in front of the receiver, totally unneeded, rest the barrel on your hand, not a big deal.
Nasty little gun.
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WHY NOT just build a dedicated elk gun in a nice light weight bolt gun instead of trying to force something else to do what it was not designed to do?



I took an old Mauser action and by the time I got done paring it down, cutting bbl back to 16 1/2" took the military stock and went at it with the saw and router and drill removing all the excess wood not needed for strength I had a 5lb 4oz scoped .308.



Personally for elk I would up it to a .358Win just a necked up .308 case but a LOT more pop.



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if you don't care on how purrrttteee it looks when done, you can really cut away a lot of unneeded weight. Like the forearm, all that wood in front of the receiver, totally unneeded, rest the barrel on your hand, not a big deal.

Nasty little gun.
Ruger made or makes some very nice compact bolt rifles. Light weight, short and easy to maneuver.
Or one of the many scout rifles out there

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If your not shooting more then 80 yards a marlin guide gun in a heavy thumper like 450 or 45 70.
My uncle when hunting the west coast in thick timber swore by the little ruger 44 auto rifle. He said he could put 2 or 3 44 rounds in the boiler room of an elk before they could take now then 2 steps

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I looked on GB and there were about 4 pages of Winchester model 100 semi auto 308 rifles. I don't know what they weigh but they aren't too bad. My buds brother had 3 of them in 243, 284 and 308 and they were all 1.5 to 2" rifles at 100 yards. Plenty enough for elk. And most I saw were from $400-600 dollars. Well under your budget.

If you could live with a lever the new Henry Ranger looks like a copy of the Browning BLR with its rack and pinion operated action. That is a very strong lever gun set up. And it can be had in 308 with or without factory open sights. I would have to have the open sighted model myself.
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Lever guns....the Browning BLR, the Henry, an old Winchester model 88 or a Savage 99...all are out there in .308.

In semi auto, there's the Remington 7400 series, the Browning BAR, The Winchester Model 100, and maybe others.
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Lever guns....the Browning BLR, the Henry, an old Winchester model 88 or a Savage 99...all are out there in .308.



In semi auto, there's the Remington 7400 series, the Browning BAR, The Winchester Model 100, and maybe others.
I've seen some old Remington 740's and 7400's that were tank
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Gotta watch those Winchester 100's. There was a recall on them to fix a design (The firing pin passes through the trunion rod and is a weak point) flaw and not all of them were done.

Also a beast to take down and clean.
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Gotta watch those Winchester 100's. There was a recall on them to fix a design (The firing pin passes through the trunion rod and is a weak point) flaw and not all of them were done.

Also a beast to take down and clean.
But they look cool

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Absolutely!! And fun to shoot! But from my limited exposure (1 example I just had come through my hands that wouldn't pick up cartridge #2. Worn bolt face) I don't think I would make it my only rifle.

The design of the firing pin reminded me of the "needle-gun". Definitely a weak link.
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take a look at Wyndham Weaponry AR-10. Ordered one for a customer years ago and it was about as light as I ever remember an AR-10.
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Meanwhile I built a heavy barreled upper in 6.5 CM to put on my DPMS lower and made that sucker feel like a WW2 rifle....or an M1A.

But it's not for packing through the forest.
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POF Revolution.

https://pof-usa.com/firearms/revolution/

.308 WIN 16.5" (1:10) 14.5" M-RAIL 7.3lbs 34"

I have the POF Revolution, piston rifle. I love it and it was the lightest I could find at the time. It's not quite 7.3 pounds, mine was about closer to 7.5lbs. Their new Revolution DI is listed as 6.8 pounds (but I suspect it's closer to 7.0 pounds)...price isn't near the OP's target area though.

I actually think if ranges are less than a 100 yards and you really want an auto-loader in .308, a braced-pistol isn't a bad option if legal where you hunt. Both size and weight would be significantly reduced without sacrificing any accuracy and not enough ballistically to affect a shot on an elk.

If you just want a lighter rifle, consider a lever gun or as NW GUY mentioned, build a lightweight bolt gun.

I have hunted with my MIA Bush Rifle and while it works well, it's more an experience like patrolling than hunting and the weight becomes a factor after about 5-6 hours of moving on foot. Lightweight isn't the best for a bench gun, but man, they are definitely worth a little extra recoil if you plan to carry it on foot for long distances and up/down mountains!

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Gotta watch those Winchester 100's. There was a recall on them to fix a design (The firing pin passes through the trunion rod and is a weak point) flaw and not all of them were done.

Also a beast to take down and clean.
I had a 100 in .243. It was no lightweight. And there was some flaw that would cause them to double. And magazines were $40 at gun shows. I found a greater fool and traded it off.

If shots are always under 100 yards, why the .308? A Marlin 336 in .35 Remington would be my pick.
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I believe the mp10 is one of the lightest. Laser accuracy also.
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If shots are always under 100 yards, why the .308? A Marlin 336 in .35 Remington would be my pick.
Careful there. You are using too much logic. Love my Marlin 35 Remington. What a thumper with my handloads.
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