One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church - Survivalist Forum
Survivalist Forum

Advertise Here

Go Back   Survivalist Forum > >
Articles Classifieds Donations Gallery Groups Links Store Survival Files


Notices

Advertise Here
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-06-2019, 05:59 PM
Trogshak's Avatar
Trogshak Trogshak is offline
Hunter
 
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 1,246
Thanks: 287
Thanked 868 Times in 554 Posts
Default One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church



Advertise Here

Many on this forum will recognize the titled words as those belonging to a creedal statement professed on a periodic basis, which indicate the marks or attributes of the Church founded by Christ. The mark of Apostolicity is further defined by another term: Roman.
The Roman Church means the Church united to the Apostles of whom the Head was Peter, Bishop of Rome. The Church has as her head through the ages the successor of Peter, Bishop of Rome.
Quick reply to this message
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Trogshak For This Useful Post:
Old 09-08-2019, 06:46 PM
Keyzer Soze's Avatar
Keyzer Soze Keyzer Soze is online now
Автомат Калашникова
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Southern California
Posts: 1,607
Thanks: 1,234
Thanked 1,015 Times in 607 Posts
Default

thread closed
Quick reply to this message
The Following User Says Thank You to Keyzer Soze For This Useful Post:
Old 09-08-2019, 08:08 PM
Sloth's Avatar
Sloth Sloth is offline
Layman
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 2,483
Thanks: 3,168
Thanked 2,859 Times in 1,379 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Keyzer Soze View Post
thread closed


... Thread open???
Quick reply to this message
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Sloth For This Useful Post:
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 09-08-2019, 08:12 PM
Cabinet Maker's Avatar
Cabinet Maker Cabinet Maker is offline
VIP Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SoCal
Posts: 5,870
Thanks: 20,987
Thanked 13,057 Times in 4,268 Posts
Default

It's hard belonging to one of five (or soon to be six?) nationalistic churches.
Quick reply to this message
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Cabinet Maker For This Useful Post:
Old 09-08-2019, 08:28 PM
ActionJackson's Avatar
ActionJackson ActionJackson is offline
Longing For True Liberty
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Southern Utah
Age: 59
Posts: 29,488
Thanks: 46,334
Thanked 54,068 Times in 18,722 Posts
Awards Showcase
Top Poster Top Poster 
Total Awards: 2
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sloth View Post


... Thread open???
lol. ))))))))))))))))))))))))))
__________________
Make America Moral Again!!!
Quick reply to this message
Old 09-28-2019, 07:31 AM
Trogshak's Avatar
Trogshak Trogshak is offline
Hunter
 
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 1,246
Thanks: 287
Thanked 868 Times in 554 Posts
Default

Christ is your shepherd and judge; he judges between his own sheep and other sheep. My sheep, he says, hear my voice and follow me (John 10:27).

In this statement I find that all good shepherds are one in the one shepherd. It is not that good shepherds are lacking; they are there in the one shepherd. When we speak of "many" we refer to those who are divided from each other. Here only one is spoken of, because in this passage unity is commended. The reason why shepherds are not mentioned here, but only one shepherd, is not because the Lord has failed to find anyone to whom to entrust his sheep; he entrusted the sheep to Peter because he had found Peter. Indeed, in the case of Peter he also commended the unity of the flock. There were many apostles, and yet to one only did he say: Feed my sheep (John 21:17). Do not imagine that there will be no more good shepherds, or that we shall find them lacking, or that the Lord's mercy will not produce and establish them.

Certainly, if there are good sheep there are also good shepherds; good sheep give rise to good shepherds. But all good shepherds are one in the one good shepherd; they form a unity. If only they feed the sheep, Christ is feeding the sheep. The friends of the bridegroom do not speak with their own voice, but they take great joy in listening to the bridegroom's voice. Christ himself is the shepherd when they act as shepherds. "I feed them," he says, because his voice is in their voice, his love in their love.

When he entrusted his sheep to Peter as one person to another, Christ chose to make Peter one with himself. He wanted to entrust him with the sheep in such a way that he himself might be the head and Peter might represent the body, that is, the Church. As bridegroom and bride, Christ and the Church were to be two in one flesh.

Accordingly, what does he say before he entrusts the sheep to Peter as to someone who is not separate from himself? Peter, do you love me? He answered: I love you. And again: Do you love me? He answered: I love you. And a third time: Do you love me? He answered: I love you (John 21:15-17). He receives an assurance of love in order to establish unity. Christ is the one shepherd who is one with the other shepherds, and in whom they themselves are one.

Shepherds are not mentioned, but they are not passed over. Shepherds have cause for pride, but if anyone boasts it should be in the Lord (2 Corinthians 10:17). This means that Christ should be the shepherd, that they should be shepherds for Christ, shepherds in Christ, not shepherds for themselves, apart from Christ. When the prophet said: I will feed my sheep (Ezechiel 34:15), it was not because of a lack of shepherds, as though he were foretelling those evil times to come and saying: "I have no one to whom I can entrust my sheep." At a time when Peter himself, and the apostles too, were alive in the body, Christ, the one in whom alone all are one, said this: I have other sheep that are not of this sheepfold; I must bring them in as well, so that there may be one flock and one shepherd (John 10:16).

All shepherds should therefore be one in the one good shepherd. All should speak with the one voice of the one shepherd, so that the sheep may hear and follow their shepherd; not this or that shepherd, but the one shepherd. All should speak with on e voice in Christ, not with different voices. Brethren, I beg all of you to say the same thing, and to have no dissensions among you (1 Corinthians 1:10). The sheep should hear this voice, a voice purified from all schism, freed from all heresy, and so follow their shepherd, who says: My sheep hear my voice and follow me (John 10:27).

- Augustine
Quick reply to this message
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Trogshak For This Useful Post:
Old 09-30-2019, 10:10 AM
Watchingtheweasels's Avatar
Watchingtheweasels Watchingtheweasels is online now
Survivor
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 7,495
Thanks: 7,764
Thanked 15,991 Times in 5,027 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabinet Maker View Post
It's hard belonging to one of five (or soon to be six?) nationalistic churches.
Not to be flippant, but it's far easier than pretending that Frank is the vicar of Christ.
Quick reply to this message
Old 09-30-2019, 10:04 PM
Cabinet Maker's Avatar
Cabinet Maker Cabinet Maker is offline
VIP Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SoCal
Posts: 5,870
Thanks: 20,987
Thanked 13,057 Times in 4,268 Posts
Default

We arenít the ones who decided to do away with the Authority of the Primacy of the Chair of Peter, the Bishop of Rome. Clearly accepted by all of the Original Churches.

Now, Iíll not deny that Pope Francis has differing personal focus than many of the more traditional Clergy or Laity. That doesnít bother me. His authority only extends to matters of Faith and Morals. If he tries to change the Magesterium, there will be major problems. Again, Iím not worried, because Jesus promised to watch over His Church.
Quick reply to this message
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Cabinet Maker For This Useful Post:
Old 10-01-2019, 08:20 AM
cat_1978 cat_1978 is offline
Survivor
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Posts: 2,072
Thanks: 1,955
Thanked 2,232 Times in 1,192 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabinet Maker View Post
We aren’t the ones who decided to do away with the Authority of the Primacy of the Chair of Peter, the Bishop of Rome. Clearly accepted by all of the Original Churches.

Now, I’ll not deny that Pope Francis has differing personal focus than many of the more traditional Clergy or Laity. That doesn’t bother me. His authority only extends to matters of Faith and Morals. If he tries to change the Magesterium, there will be major problems. Again, I’m not worried, because Jesus promised to watch over His Church.
The primacy was given in collegiality by the other bishops of the original Church. It was never an administrative (absolute) RIGHT. Once the Pope demanded absolute power all collegiality disappeared by his actions alone. In consequence it was the Bishop of Rome who initiated the break and still is today. The Mother Church represented by all the other Bishops of the Ancient Church awaits patiently for the return of the Pope to a cordial Ancient Church. What do you see wrong in this?

Do you see the Ancient Church being submitted to the absolute power of the Pope? More importantly, do you wish for this?
Genuine question: How do you see the reunion, the necessary conditions of it?
Quick reply to this message
Old 10-01-2019, 10:15 AM
Jack Swilling's Avatar
Jack Swilling Jack Swilling is offline
VIP Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Ozarks
Posts: 3,049
Thanks: 4,955
Thanked 6,928 Times in 2,179 Posts
Default

Set aside the Holy Spirit issue
It does now matter what we think.
Holy Spirit Father God Only
Holy Spirit Father God and Jesus
The Pope seeks not to control the Orthodox Churches
So, it is a pretty simple deal
Would be a great benefit to all concerned
Quick reply to this message
Old 10-10-2019, 09:51 PM
Atticus's Avatar
Atticus Atticus is offline
Totus tuus
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Chicago area
Posts: 726
Thanks: 431
Thanked 955 Times in 447 Posts
Default

John Henry Newman will be canonized very soon. I found an excellent article on how Newman regarded the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Chair of Peter. Here it is. Newman is one of the most brilliant writers and thinkers in the English language in the Catholic Church.

http://www.jameslikoudispage.com/Ecumenic/newmaneo.htm
Quick reply to this message
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Atticus For This Useful Post:
Old 10-22-2019, 10:04 PM
Trogshak's Avatar
Trogshak Trogshak is offline
Hunter
 
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 1,246
Thanks: 287
Thanked 868 Times in 554 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Atticus View Post
John Henry Newman will be canonized very soon. I found an excellent article on how Newman regarded the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Chair of Peter. Here it is. Newman is one of the most brilliant writers and thinkers in the English language in the Catholic Church.

http://www.jameslikoudispage.com/Ecumenic/newmaneo.htm
Thanks for the link to Likoudis' various works. I found this article especially interesting:
http://jameslikoudispage.com/Doctrine/cephas.htm
Quick reply to this message
Reply

Bookmarks



Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Survivalist Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:
Gender
Insurance
Please select your insurance company (Optional)

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:19 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright © Kevin Felts 2006 - 2015,
Green theme by http://www.themesbydesign.net