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Old 10-19-2019, 11:58 AM
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For decades it has been said "The US is not the world's police force." But not one President did anything about it. TRUMP DID.

Trump has said 'They have been fighting each other for 1,000 years. This is not our fight.'
TRUMP DID.

Finally we have a President who understands the true psychology of the Middle East. Just like he understands the Palestinians. He gave them an opportunity to negotiate for peace and the Palestinians blew it. So Pres. Trump said 'Oh well.' Then he recognized Jerusalem as Israel's true, historical Capitol. Another issue that many, many Presidents promised but never did anything about it. TRUMP DID.

The "troops" were only a small contingent of advisers. Pulling them back did nothing to the Kurds.

When Turkey started being aggressive towards the Kurds, after Pres Trump warned them not to, Turkey was reminded about their economy and that Pres Trump had no problem ruining it. Turkey got smart and decide to "not be a fool." TRUMP DID.

The TRUMP DID list goes on and on and on. Isn't it great ?
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Bring our troops home and put them on the Mexican border with no ROE.
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Are we even welcome in Syria by it's lawful leadership, or is our very presence there an act of aggression? The FSA whom Assad was at war with were basically ISIS lite so why is Assad the bad guy anyway?
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The "troops" were only a small contingent of advisers. Pulling them back did nothing to the Kurds.

When Turkey started being aggressive towards the Kurds, after Pres Trump warned them not to, Turkey was reminded about their economy and that Pres Trump had no problem ruining it. Turkey got smart and decide to "not be a fool." TRUMP DID.

The TRUMP DID list goes on and on and on. Isn't it great ?
LOL at did nothing to the Kurds....it gave Turkey the greenlight to invade and take the land that the Kurds had been occupying. And he then sent more troops to SA.
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Saw a news clip today of some of our guys leaving Syria and the locals were throwing rocks at out guys. F them let them defend their own sorry butts.
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Since the average person gets colored and often times deceptive news, we really never know the whole story or truth.

As JFK said;
“The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it."
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People here do know that there are two main factions of Kurds in the area, right? There is the YPG (whom we worked with to kick ISIS ass), and the PKK (who are the Marxists/communists that our State Dept has designated terrorists). The latter are the ones who've been a major thorn in Turkey's side. The two groups are ethnically and culturally similar, but their politics and action make them very different.

Those who are all mad at President Trump needs to look at the bigger picture... Are you suggesting, in protecting the Kurds (with whom we have no treaty & no formal alliance; our cooperative efforts to destroy ISIS in the area was completely temporary and **transactional**), we take on a NATO ally in Turkey (thuggish as Erdogan is)? Possibly weakening NATO, and maybe allowing the Russians gain greater influence & power in the area? Can anyone articulate a legitimate and overriding U.S. interest why we should be spending untold billions there, and for our men to die there?

With what VP Pence negotiated, a 5-day ceasefire, the Kurds at least have a chance to clear from the area. Syria and that whole area is a veritable Hellhole/quagmire. I for one am glad for us to be out of there.
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The normally dove libs/dems have become hawks for one reason only; to oppose President Trump as they have been doing since the election.
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Why does the US have to provide protection with its own blood and treasure? The cynical Europeans who criticise America pulling out, aren’t going to send their own money and people to defend the Kurds. The Europeans are geographically closer, they can shoulder the burden if they feel so strongly about it.

The Kurds should be grateful for the long standing protection they have received from the US. They should be paying america back for all the support, being such great allies and all.

There are no good actors in the area, the rivalries have been going on for centuries and America will be hated either way, whether we stay or go.

And think about this. Do you want your tax dollars, the dollars you earned hard in the hot sun and freezing rain to be gifted away to people that would never return the favour and will ultimately hate you anyway. Do you want to send your kids out to defend the borders of some SH and see your own borders being overrun.

The sense of entitlement to American blood and treasure is getting ridiculous.

Someone needs to institute an America first policy.
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<snip>Someone needs to institute an America first policy.
That policy is named Donald J. Trump.
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The Kurds should be grateful for the long standing protection they have received from the US. They should be paying america back for all the support, being such great allies and all.
11,000 of them died as the main ground force in our fight against ISIS. That seems like a pretty substantial payment.
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It gives a very good idea of what your future allies can expect. The US's power in such matters will decline accordingly. If you have a history of hanging your allies out to dry, you will be trusted less, and be includes in less deals, as is happening in Asia at the moment.
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It gives a very good idea of what your future allies can expect. The US's power in such matters will decline accordingly. If you have a history of hanging your allies out to dry, you will be trusted less, and be includes in less deals, as is happening in Asia at the moment.

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Let's take care of America before policing the rest of the world. We're just a little less than perfect here in LGBT-land so we have no business forcing our version of "morality" on anyone else. Let's bring our men (and women) home and place them on our southern (and northern) borders. Canada is rapidly becoming a leftist nation and I'm sure there are some open pores where Muslims could sneak in. Canada loves its Muslims. Anyway ... let's put America first!
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It gives a very good idea of what your future allies can expect. The US's power in such matters will decline accordingly. If you have a history of hanging your allies out to dry, you will be trusted less, and be includes in less deals, as is happening in Asia at the moment.

I agree the US has gotten way too deep into world policing, and has sometimes backed the wrong people. One solution, withdraw our troops, abandon our bases and turn global policing over to the UN. We could then come home for a nice iced tea and a little breather. I'm sure those serving abroad would appreciate spending a little more time closer to home.


In the 1920's the US adopted a policy of isolationism, which lasted for quite a while. I don't see any reason why the US cannot do that again. Who knows once socialism in all it's permutations has laid waste to the planet we might even come out of isolation and offer our help. Might being the operative word.
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I agree the US has gotten way too deep into world policing, and has sometimes backed the wrong people. One solution, withdraw our troops, abandon our bases and turn global policing over to the UN. We could then come home for a nice iced tea and a little breather. I'm sure those serving abroad would appreciate spending a little more time closer to home.


In the 1920's the US adopted a policy of isolationism, which lasted for quite a while. I don't see any reason why the US cannot do that again. Who knows once socialism in all it's permutations has laid waste to the planet we might even come out of isolation and offer our help. Might being the operative word.
Well, it became clear that isolationism only lead to a short term safety. The inaction of most European countries in regard to Germany, lead to a worldwide war because noone actually drew the line in the sand and kept to it. Eventually it just means countries like China, Turkey, Russia, Korea, will grow, and their influence gets greater, while yours diminishes. Why do you think you're in the middle east? To be peacekeepers or police? No, because it serves your foreign influence, over just "letting them deal with it" and paying whatever they want to charge for oil or whatever you want. Why are you losing out in Asia in the latest trade deals? Because you are giving up most of your influence there, and "letting them deal with it". The US is actually losing out on those things, and has a lot less clout to deal with things like a tradewar with China.

The world is a lot bigger place than in the 1700's-1800's. Isolationism worked then, but not any more.
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I agree the US has gotten way too deep into world policing, and has sometimes backed the wrong people. One solution, withdraw our troops, abandon our bases and turn global policing over to the UN. We could then come home for a nice iced tea and a little breather. I'm sure those serving abroad would appreciate spending a little more time closer to home.


In the 1920's the US adopted a policy of isolationism, which lasted for quite a while. I don't see any reason why the US cannot do that again. Who knows once socialism in all it's permutations has laid waste to the planet we might even come out of isolation and offer our help. Might being the operative word.

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Well, it became clear that isolationism only lead to a short term safety. The inaction of most European countries in regard to Germany, lead to a worldwide war because noone actually drew the line in the sand and kept to it. Eventually it just means countries like China, Turkey, Russia, Korea, will grow, and their influence gets greater, while yours diminishes. Why do you think you're in the middle east? To be peacekeepers or police? No, because it serves your foreign influence, over just "letting them deal with it" and paying whatever they want to charge for oil or whatever you want. Why are you losing out in Asia in the latest trade deals? Because you are giving up most of your influence there, and "letting them deal with it". The US is actually losing out on those things, and has a lot less clout to deal with things like a tradewar with China.

The world is a lot bigger place than in the 1700's-1800's. Isolationism worked then, but not any more.
Why are we in the middle east? Well I suppose it is in the US interest to keep the oil flowing to Europe and since the middle east is where Europe gets most of its oil, there is that. I suppose the US could withdraw and let Europeans make their own deals in the middle east.


True, if the US did pull back within it's borders it would leave a power vacuum and it's fair to assume other countries would attempt to capitalize on that vacuum. Which could lead to some pretty nasty wars. You'd want to buckle in and have your tray tables in the upright position if that happens.


I don't think you quite understand just how tired the US is of fighting in other peoples wars, especially the John and Jane Doe Americans. So it is a flip of the coin as to whether they'd be saddened by the carnage of yet another foreign war or relieved they weren't sending their youth off to fight in it.


There was a time when Switzerland and the US were viewed as sister countries, they were alike in many ways. The Swiss are noninterventionist and seem to get along very well in the world. I don't see why that wouldn't work for the US as well. I think it could...


When one looks at the US, geographically, it is a country that spans an entire hemisphere, is bordered by oceans and has few neighbors. Certainly the geography suggests that if the US wanted to isolate itself it would be fairly easy to do.


There is also a chance that the US may not have a choice in the matter.
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