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I was told my a navy seal once that the only time you should throw a punch is if your naked and both feet are nailed to the floor.
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Default Elbow punch instead of knuckle punch? for short people too?

Short people should just headbutt the person in the groin.
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Im 5'6 180 lbs and brought down 2 much larger over 6' by going low and wrapping their knees up tight and pushing them over...they hit the ground full force. They did hit me but being down low they didnt have much affect.
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I've heard many arguments against knuckles in a fight, Joe Rogan says they really need to be conditioned (for example by punching bricks without glove, but he admits any such conditioning causes future health problems). that you can easily break your wrist, that mistakenly punching the teeth or forehead can cause you more pain than the enemy etc.

Joe Rogan says the solution is elbow punches.

i kind of like that idea, but everytime I practise it on the speed ball I'm unimpressed, it's very difficult to reach targets and getting a good solid connect. and they telegraph like crazy.

do you think elbows are good?
Could it be that perhaps they are more suitable for tall people, that shorter people should stay very clear from this technique?
Well, you don't need to punch BRICKS to condition your hands and other bones (legs for kicking, etc.). Regular use of a heavy bag will cause your bone density to increase and help. I agree about face punches though. If you can, it's better to open hand the head or face.

Elbows are AWESOME but you need again to condition your bones with practice. I've seen people break their forearms and dislocate elbows throwing elbow strikes improperly or without proper conditioning.

BUT....you have to be closer in generally to use elbows. They won't be more telegraphed than a punch if you do them properly. Just like with a punch you don't haul back BEFORE throwing them. They come naturally, just like a punch does.

Still, you have to be closer in so that great power comes at a cost. Have to know how to handle yourself inside an opponent. On the ground? They'll work ok if you're in a dominant or top position. From your back they have limited utility. As with everything, YMMV. Depends on you and your training.
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I hit a guy in the mouth with a right elbow and his lower teeth gave me a deep cut and elbow paun for months afterwards. I still say using the heel of your palm is the way to go.... Or what Karate people call a "krane fist" wich is more of a spear hand with the fingers bent slightly.
Ugh...tough break on the elbow. Sorry to hear that! Depending on the circumstance the palm heel might have been better. Hindsight being what it is!

Crane fist? Only if you REALLY know how to do that and have practiced a ton. I don't (personally) feel it has the power needed and I've seen way too many people break their wrists just practicing using that on heavy bags. Not for me, in any case!
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Master Wong has some good videos on this topic. He's a bit crazy, but is fun to watch.



This guy has hundreds of videos on YouTube that demonstrate some interesting Wing Chun techniques. Wing Chun was the style used by Ip Man and the style Bruce Lee trained in before establishing Jeet Kune Do.

"Don't punch" is part of a series. Here are the others:

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Ugh...tough break on the elbow. Sorry to hear that! Depending on the circumstance the palm heel might have been better. Hindsight being what it is!

Crane fist? Only if you REALLY know how to do that and have practiced a ton. I don't (personally) feel it has the power needed and I've seen way too many people break their wrists just practicing using that on heavy bags. Not for me, in any case!
Crane fist and nukite thrust are both finger strikes used mainly against soft targets like the throat. You will hurt and even break your fingers with those attacks if you are not well trained and your fingers are not conditioned.

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Typically the concept is to slap a punch down with the underlying "support hand"under the elbow, as the other hand thrusts out the length of the arm to stab the throat or eye. Realistically this is flawed as the distance the arm takes to thrust give the opponent a longtime period to see it, parry, trap or guard against it.
In other words, don't bother unless you are highly trained. IMO, YMMV
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Crane fist and nukite thrust are both finger strikes used mainly against soft targets like the throat. You will hurt and even break your fingers with those attacks if you are not well trained and your fingers are not conditioned.



In other words, don't bother unless you are highly trained. IMO, YMMV
Bingo! I personally loved elbow, but I've got fairly short arms and wanted to get inside on just about everyone anyway. But the BIG point is, in my opinion, YMMV. Different training, different styles, different fighters. Not one size fits all, that's for sure!
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Win First.

It sucks to have a broken hand, it sucks more to be dead. If you are really in a life and death situation, winning is more important.

Learn to use all the tools in your toolbox, but don't hamstring yourself by training to not use them all.
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Had to fight a guy into handcuffs a few months ago. Two elbow strikes between his should blades took the fight right out of him.
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Just curious how many people know why MMA fighters wear gloves at all?

The answer will likely surprise most people.....it's to protect the hands of the striker, not the face or head of the guy taking punches.

They are nothing like boxing gloves, there's not much padding but it's enough to protect the hand.

There's a good argument to be made for getting rid of the gloves. First it would force guys to pick their strikes very carefully. Meaning fighters will have to sharpen their striking game. Good for fights. Also good for the fighters because there would actually be less strikes to the head thrown since protecting the hands would now be a necessity.

The grappling game would change as well. I find it extremely difficult to grapple even with the fingerless mma style glove.

Joe Rogan, an experienced fighter himself and mma commentator has been saying this for years. The resistance to doing away with the gloves has nothing to do with protecting the fighters but the perception of the public who by and large don't understand mma.

If it was about the safety of the fighters there would be pads on the elbows, knees, and shins.
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I HAVE literally been in over 1000 street "fights/confrontations/physical contact arrests where the person being arrested wanted to fight about it.

I hit with a fist maybe half a dozen times.

I am a firm believer in forearms, elbows, knees, feet, pretty much anything but fists because your fist and your wrist are about the most fragile thing you can use in a fight. Mostly I made them move first so I could have them committed into a move that I would counter and put them down. I always wanted them to make the first move.

I will use an open hand slap to head long before I will/would use a fist. NEVER underrate a good slap to the side of the head.... especially if you can box the ear at the same time. Lots of energy and things happening in that contact and when done correctly with force you can take folks off their feet fast.
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Just curious how many people know why MMA fighters wear gloves at all?

The answer will likely surprise most people.....it's to protect the hands of the striker, not the face or head of the guy taking punches.

They are nothing like boxing gloves, there's not much padding but it's enough to protect the hand.

There's a good argument to be made for getting rid of the gloves. First it would force guys to pick their strikes very carefully. Meaning fighters will have to sharpen their striking game. Good for fights. Also good for the fighters because there would actually be less strikes to the head thrown since protecting the hands would now be a necessity.

The grappling game would change as well. I find it extremely difficult to grapple even with the fingerless mma style glove.

Joe Rogan, an experienced fighter himself and mma commentator has been saying this for years. The resistance to doing away with the gloves has nothing to do with protecting the fighters but the perception of the public who by and large don't understand mma.

If it was about the safety of the fighters there would be pads on the elbows, knees, and shins.
Yeah. Have you seen the faces of bare knuckle boxers after a bout?

It was an idea shared around because nobody was competing bare knuckle that people wouldn't hit as hard.

And a bunch of silly stuff about how pugalisim would be this super advanced method.

But as bare knuckle is becoming more mainstream it just isn't the case.

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I saw Bec Rawlings after one of her bare knuckle fights. Her hands were really messed up! She's now back in MMA (Bellator) where her hands are protected. If she stuck with bare knuckle fighting, I don't think her career would have lasted much longer.

As for the OP's question, elbow strikes (I've never heard it called an "elbow punch") are great for ground 'n pound or for inside the clinch. Anyone who is proficient at hand-to-hand will be proficient at lots of things to include elbow strikes. I can't think of an effective striking-based martial art that doesn't incorporate elbow strikes and there's no such thing as an effective defense system that only uses elbow strikes.
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Master Wong has some good videos on this topic. He's a bit crazy, but is fun to watch.

Do not Punch in a Street Fight - EP 1 - YouTube


This guy has hundreds of videos on YouTube that demonstrate some interesting Wing Chun techniques. Wing Chun was the style used by Ip Man and the style Bruce Lee trained in before establishing Jeet Kune Do.

"Don't punch" is part of a series. Here are the others:
wing chun is mostly bull****. Overly complicated techniques that dont work in a fight.
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Just curious how many people know why MMA fighters wear gloves at all?

The answer will likely surprise most people.....it's to protect the hands of the striker, not the face or head of the guy taking punches.

They are nothing like boxing gloves, there's not much padding but it's enough to protect the hand.

There's a good argument to be made for getting rid of the gloves. First it would force guys to pick their strikes very carefully. Meaning fighters will have to sharpen their striking game. Good for fights. Also good for the fighters because there would actually be less strikes to the head thrown since protecting the hands would now be a necessity.

The grappling game would change as well. I find it extremely difficult to grapple even with the fingerless mma style glove.

Joe Rogan, an experienced fighter himself and mma commentator has been saying this for years. The resistance to doing away with the gloves has nothing to do with protecting the fighters but the perception of the public who by and large don't understand mma.

If it was about the safety of the fighters there would be pads on the elbows, knees, and shins.
The reason for gloves in MMA is that it would become a 90% grappling sport which is somewhat boring to watch for most people.
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The reason for gloves in MMA is that it would become a 90% grappling sport which is somewhat boring to watch for most people.
I don't think that would happen at all.

I do think it would put an end to the sloppy striking tho.

I'd much rather watch a technical match than some jack ass flailing away.

To each their own.
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I've arrested about 400 felons and never once got into a fist or elbow fight with one. I have taken a few to the ground, but mostly used slapjacks, nightsticks, or firearms.
I've never used a sap or seen one used. But a cop one another board said he used to work for an old jail sergeant that knew just where and how to "tap" an unruly inmate with a sap to put them to sleep.

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wing chun is mostly bull****. Overly complicated techniques that dont work in a fight.
A little wing chun and Muay Thai action:

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