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I'm starting to like DeSantis. Sounds like he is cleaning house. Not that it needs to be done; it does. Broward and Palm Beach Counties have needed a good scrubbing for years.
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As Parkland families watch, Florida Senate committee recommends upholding Scott Israel’s suspension
Suspended Broward Sheriff Scott Israel shouldn’t get his job back, a key Florida Senate committee decided Monday, a powerful indication of the ultimate outcome.

The vote was close, with nine senators voting in favor of Israel’s permanent removal and seven favoring his reappointment.

Cheers immediately erupted from family members and supporters of the 17 people killed in the 2018 Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School massacre, who were at the committee when it convened at 10:30 a.m. through the vote at about 8:45 p.m.
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The vote was entirely on party lines. All Democrats on the Senate Rules Committee voted to return Israel to his job; Republicans voted to make the suspension permanent.
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The full 40-member Senate is scheduled to vote Wednesday. The makeup of the Rules Committee, which includes many Senate leaders, is an indication of the likely final outcome.
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The vote went along party lines! This is why we have to support the slightly less crappy Republicans, not because we love, worship, adore, whatever someone wants to describe, but that they are slightly better and may have a chance to be fixed. The left is too far gone, those seven communists should be out!
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Can't understand whats political about not doing your job and being responsible for your actions,but it is now.Mind boggeling.
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Florida ends at YeeHaw Junction.
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Can't understand whats political about not doing your job and being responsible for your actions,but it is now.Mind boggeling.
It's because Israel is a SJW in power that must be supported at all costs. Doesn't seem to matter to them if people were harmed in the process. In my view it was his leadership/policies that lead to or at least help create an environment for that disaster..
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In the minds of the D's, Israel is just another victim of evil guns, the true culprit.
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Florida ends at YeeHaw Junction.
Agreed. Everything south of there is a ****hole.
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Israel should be permanently terminated and never be allowed to be in law enforcement again. He should have his pension pulled and given to the family members of the victims. Same goes for the other coward.
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Israel should be permanently terminated and never be allowed to be in law enforcement again. He should have his pension pulled and given to the family members of the victims. Same goes for the other coward.
Cowards, plural.
Fox News had Andrew Pollack on yesterday, he’s the father who lost his daughter and still defends gun rights.
He said the Broward sheriffs set up a perimeter and stayed outside listening to gunshots. When the Coral Springs police got there they ran into the school, ran past sheriffs who were hiding behind cars outside.
A fish rots from the head down, Israel should be stripped of everything like nefarious said but the others should be dealt with as well. A sense of obligation should have over ridden any notion of procedure. None of the Broward sheriffs there that day deserve to be cops.
The Coral Spring cops were heroes that day, and in the days after the incident some expressed their disgust at running into the school looking at cops hiding behind cars while kids were being shot.
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As Parkland families watch, Florida Senate committee recommends upholding Scott Israel’s suspension
Suspended Broward Sheriff Scott Israel shouldn’t get his job back, a key Florida Senate committee decided Monday, a powerful indication of the ultimate outcome.

The vote was close, with nine senators voting in favor of Israel’s permanent removal and seven favoring his reappointment.

Cheers immediately erupted from family members and supporters of the 17 people killed in the 2018 Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School massacre, who were at the committee when it convened at 10:30 a.m. through the vote at about 8:45 p.m.
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The vote was entirely on party lines. All Democrats on the Senate Rules Committee voted to return Israel to his job; Republicans voted to make the suspension permanent.
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The full 40-member Senate is scheduled to vote Wednesday. The makeup of the Rules Committee, which includes many Senate leaders, is an indication of the likely final outcome.
That party line vote should tell everyone all they need to know about how democrats feel about Americans.
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Apparently a sheriff is not the highest law in a county...the governor of the state is
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That party line vote should tell everyone all they need to know about how democrats feel about Americans.
And further prove the Republicans deserve the vote. We must destroy the demonrats before we can fix or destroy the repubes.
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Florida Senate agrees with Gov. DeSantis, votes to remove Broward sheriff
The Florida Senate made it official Wednesday and removed Scott Israel, Broward County’s suspended top cop who the governor blamed for the Broward Sheriff’s Office’s botched response to the Feb. 14, 2018, shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

Israel, a Democrat, was halfway through his second term when Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican, made good on a campaign promise in January and suspended Israel for incompetence and neglecting his duty. In his place, DeSantis named Gregory Tony, a former Coral Springs sergeant.

After an emotional four hours of debate, the same Senate that 20 months ago rejected calls for an assault weapons ban and revised school safety procedures after the Parkland shooting, voted 25-15 largely along party lines to remove Israel, winning praise from the families of the victims.
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Every place I've lived except Massachusetts, sheriffs are elected officials. They do not "serve at the pleasure" of the governor, hence a governor has no authority to remove one. Only a recall election can do that, or maybe a felony indictment. Israel is a flaming example of SJW leftist globalist assininity, but he hasn't been indicted for anything, has he? I'm wondering what precedent this sets. Can a Colorado governor remove a sheriff who declares his jurisdiction a gun-owner sanctuary, for example.
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Every place I've lived except Massachusetts, sheriffs are elected officials. They do not "serve at the pleasure" of the governor, hence a governor has no authority to remove one. Only a recall election can do that, or maybe a felony indictment. Israel is a flaming example of SJW leftist globalist assininity, but he hasn't been indicted for anything, has he? I'm wondering what precedent this sets. Can a Colorado governor remove a sheriff who declares his jurisdiction a gun-owner sanctuary, for example.
The FL supreme court ruled that the FL constitution does allow the governor to suspend a government official for neglect of duty and incompetence and that it is constitutional.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...229595824.html

Its up to the FL legislature to investigate the facts of the two mass shootings that occurred on Israels watch and decide if he should be permanently removed from office.

Since each state's constitution is different it doesn't mean all state governors have the power granted to them as the FL constitution grants FL governors

I'm surprised that they actually ruled on what is written in the FL constitution because the FL SC is mostly comprised of communists and they routinely rule against gun rights, in fact there is not a single case brought in front of them I can remember that they ruled in favor of a gun owner and recently ruled against constitutional carry and open carry in FL
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Give 'em a chance to vote for further centralization of power and they'll do it every time. So not too sanguine as to the long term effects of the decision. I haven't read the Florida state constitution, though.
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Every place I've lived except Massachusetts, sheriffs are elected officials. They do not "serve at the pleasure" of the governor, hence a governor has no authority to remove one. Only a recall election can do that, or maybe a felony indictment. Israel is a flaming example of SJW leftist globalist assininity, but he hasn't been indicted for anything, has he? I'm wondering what precedent this sets. Can a Colorado governor remove a sheriff who declares his jurisdiction a gun-owner sanctuary, for example.
That may be for other States and other sheriffs, but if it had been an illegal move by the Florida governor, why didn't Sheriff Israel just ignore the suspension order and make an public case that what the governor did was illegal? Easy, he couldn't. Because the governor did was constitutionally legal. (cf., the linked article in Kalashnikov47's post above). Here, I'll quote the relevant part of the article:
Florida’s constitution allows the governor to suspend a sheriff for neglect of duty or incompetence. When making the announcement of the suspension, DeSantis cited both when it came to Israel’s response to the Parkland shooting that left 17 students and staff members dead.
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Here is the relevant part of the Florida constitution:
SECTION 7. Suspensions; filling office during suspensions.—

(a) By executive order stating the grounds and filed with the custodian of state records, the governor may suspend from office any state officer not subject to impeachment, any officer of the militia not in the active service of the United States, or any county officer, for malfeasance, misfeasance, neglect of duty, drunkenness, incompetence, permanent inability to perform official duties, or commission of a felony, and may fill the office by appointment for the period of suspension. The suspended officer may at any time before removal be reinstated by the governor.

(b) The senate may, in proceedings prescribed by law, remove from office or reinstate the suspended official and for such purpose the senate may be convened in special session by its president or by a majority of its membership.

(c) By order of the governor any elected municipal officer indicted for crime may be suspended from office until acquitted and the office filled by appointment for the period of suspension, not to extend beyond the term, unless these powers are vested elsewhere by law or the municipal charter.

History.—Ams. proposed by Constitution Revision Commission, Revision Nos. 8 and 13, 1998, filed with the Secretary of State May 5, 1998; adopted 1998.
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