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Old 09-26-2019, 01:20 PM
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I'm thinking about buying a 6.5 Grendel upper for an AR and keeping it in a gun sock strapped to my pack. Four 24 round mags in mag pouches on the pack for long range stuff.
Once I get set up in a position to do overwatch or hunt I'd swap out uppers.
AR15's are a proven platform, and 6.5 Grendel is a lot lighter than 308 or 30-06 with similar performance out to 800 yards.
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Thats the route I am gravatating too myself these days as my neck and shoulder aint the same as it was when I was 19!
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My latest in 6.5 Grendel.

To stay relevant to the topic, I think I'm just going to bite the bullet and save up for a Christensen Arms MPR. Very light package in .308 and incredibly accurate.

Someone mentioned the Ruger Precision Rifle but they didn't mention that it's 11 pounds stripped. The Grendel I posted is 11 pounds with scope and ammo, and it feels pretty heavy.... so taking a bolt action that weighs the same, if not heavier? Having it in .308 doesn't outweigh (no pun intended) enough to neglect the Grendel cartridge, which is very capable, as well as in a semi auto platform.
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I thought about the RPR, but it hasn't had the hell beaten out of it the last twenty years in the services.
Neither has the civilian version of the 700. I’ve had friends break bolt handles off, but that was when Remarlington was still a well known joke.

Also, the Army decided the .308 wasn’t getting it done a few years back, and went to the 300 Winmag, in the same action.

Are you sure you are all about the military setting your bar for you?
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Both have plenty of ammo in the civilian world, but the military uses 308.
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What do you consider long range?
What is the longest distance range you have access to regularly practice on?
What is the longest unobstructed view you have in your neighborhood?
Do you plan on every hunting game with this rifle?
How much are you going to hump this rifle around. (Weight restrictions)

Also, no modern day bolt action PSR will have iron sights as an option. You’ll be hard pressed to find a modern bolt action hunting rifle that offers them either. If you have to have iron sights then you’ll have to have go semi auto something. I’d suggest an an AR-10 with QD scope.

FOR BOLT ACTION:

Forget .308. All the cool long sticks are going 300 PRC. Don’t be that guy’ when the SHTF and long sticks are being whipped out.

Blue printed 700 action with a Bartlein or Hawk Hill Custom barrel. Jewell HVR trigger. Magpul Pro 700 folding stock. Atlas bipod. SPUHR SA-3601 mount.

For a scope: Schmidt & Bender 3-20x50 PM II/LP/MTC/LT w/H58 Reticle

Now your ‘tool’ box will be complete.
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Need a long range stick to fill a hole in the toolbox. My criteria is that whatever I use must have been through a govt testing process( let them burn all the ammo and trash test guns to see when they break). Our scouts used the 700 Rem in the M24 variation, So that fits my criteria.

During the last ammo panic 30-06 was everywhere, no .308 to be found. However, no one makes match 30-06 anymore. Match 308 is common, but will I give up a lot of range going from a 30-06/24-26 inch bbl to a .308/20 inch bbl?

How tough is the Rem 700 Tactical? breakage prone? Any DMR's or scout/snipers here that can give me real world feedback? Glass recommendations?

And yes, I will have iron sights installed, because 1. a chain is only as strong as the fragile glass tube on top of it, and 2. Colonel Cooper was right.

There is a school local to me that offers long distance training, VX Marksmanship. I would like something that can reach out a bit.

Given that I can only shoot so far effectively, I am just trying to plug a hole in my skill set, not engage people at distance.

I originally wanted to use A new condition 1917 Enfield, but I missed out on that deal.

Thoughts?
Just one thought: .300 WIN or .300 WBY. Why? Aside from the extra punch, your ammo won't be accidentally eaten by guns with a more robust appetite, as may happen with .308 or .30-06.

The Navy used .300 WIN in the Remington 700 as the M-21 sniper rifle.
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I built a 30-06 last winter. Never finished sighting it in. I have two projects for this winter. both 308, one is a bull barrel. I have not shot 308 in years. I hunt with a 357 or for longer shots a 6.5 swede. there are no shots here over 200 yards due to brush. the 6.5 swede is more than capable of reaching out and touching someone.
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Old 10-20-2019, 12:34 PM
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Ive seen good shooters use crappy military surplus rifles at long range and still shoot well. Having a sub moa rifle doesnt mean much if you dont shoot lots of rounds at your long ranges. Practice usually makes you better. Some people can never shoot well no matter how much they practice.
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Need a long range stick to fill a hole in the toolbox. My criteria is that whatever I use must have been through a govt testing process( let them burn all the ammo and trash test guns to see when they break). Our scouts used the 700 Rem in the M24 variation, So that fits my criteria.

During the last ammo panic 30-06 was everywhere, no .308 to be found. However, no one makes match 30-06 anymore. Match 308 is common, but will I give up a lot of range going from a 30-06/24-26 inch bbl to a .308/20 inch bbl?

How tough is the Rem 700 Tactical? breakage prone? Any DMR's or scout/snipers here that can give me real world feedback? Glass recommendations?

And yes, I will have iron sights installed, because 1. a chain is only as strong as the fragile glass tube on top of it, and 2. Colonel Cooper was right.

There is a school local to me that offers long distance training, VX Marksmanship. I would like something that can reach out a bit.

Given that I can only shoot so far effectively, I am just trying to plug a hole in my skill set, not engage people at distance.

I originally wanted to use A new condition 1917 Enfield, but I missed out on that deal.

Thoughts?
I like compact and tough so I go with the 20” 1:10 heavy barrel R700 action in 308 with a good glass stock. Lupi 40mm vari scope keeps the compact theme.

Sling and butt pouch the only accessories, so just a bare bones no frills outfit, however it still reaches way out.

Done all the fast stepping cals and the 300’s and piles of experimental stuff, and find myself always returning to the old beaten up 308.

This one is the 5-R gen 2 which commonly gets sub half moa groups.

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I think I'd simplify ammo and go with .308 -- you can feed a long boi and an MBR both.

.308 - Long range bolt action and/or MBR
5.56 - Intermediate
12 gauge - home defense, hunting, etc...
.22 - varmint, hunting, light weight survival, etc..
9mm pistol - CCW
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Just one thought: .300 WIN or .300 WBY. Why? Aside from the extra punch, your ammo won't be accidentally eaten by guns with a more robust appetite, as may happen with .308 or .30-06.

The Navy used .300 WIN in the Remington 700 as the M-21 sniper rifle.
Are you sure? ( Im Army not Navy here)

An M21 is an M14 based rifle via 7.62x51mm. ( M25 is another version via Army and Navy secret squirrels)

Our M24 = a Remington 700 based rifle in 7.62x51mm or 300 win mag.

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Old 11-03-2019, 01:33 PM
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I'm thinking about buying a 6.5 Grendel upper for an AR and keeping it in a gun sock strapped to my pack. Four 24 round mags in mag pouches on the pack for long range stuff.
Once I get set up in a position to do overwatch or hunt I'd swap out uppers.
AR15's are a proven platform, and 6.5 Grendel is a lot lighter than 308 or 30-06 with similar performance out to 800 yards.
That idea may sound neat on paper, but the logistics hassle is not worth it's weight in my experience. Not only in weight vs a complete upper chambered in another cartridge along with an optic utilized for shooting at longer distances ( along with anything else attached to the additional upper), but also the space/ additional bulk of that upper as well.

Ammunition loaded into magazines holding to different cartridges is by far the big detriment with this idea. ( The key to carrying weight on foot over long duration = even dispersal of said weight).
On another practical note...... Fumbling around in the dark with attempt to grab the mag one needs to feed the upper currently attached to the lower is a challenge......mitigated or not.

And finally........your stuck with one lower. If anything should befall that one lower, your out both cartridges/ uppers.

In my experience, your better off running one or the other via any type of longer term environment in the field / on foot with no other means of support, and would be better off running a second complete firearm such as a handgun...along with it's own distinct cartridge and mags.

Example: I carry a suppressed handgun chambered in 22lr along with my M14S ( 7.62x51mm) A true weight saver that is very quiet upon firing, and can be used rather effectively with one hand if the other becomes injured. Mucho faster to transition from one to the other as compared to some sort of " tactical upper swap".... as well as the needed magazine with the correct ammo in it. ( That particular PIA quickly sinks this idea quickly in a field environment )

Moving onto weight for a second.......

Actual weight in loaded cartridges per 100 rounds each below.........

22LR 36gr Win php = .75 lbs
5.56mm 75gr HOR TAP = 2.85 lbs
6.5 G 123gr SSA OTM = 3.9 lbs
308 168gr AE OTM/ TTSX = 5.3 lbs
3006 150gr Win BST = 5.7 lbs

Note: The difference in weight when comparing 6.5 g to 308 via the loaded ammo above = 1 pound/ 6.4 ounces per 100 rounds.

Note: Don't forget to talley in the weight of the additional complete upper . ( They vary quite a bit, so a rough estimate puts it at around 5 pounds / 8 ounces........which happens to be a tad more in weight than 100 loaded rds of 7.62x51mm 168gr OTM or TTSX......and about the same weight as 100 loaded rounds of 3006 150gr BST. )
In short: 100rds of 6.5g plus the weight of complete upper/ optic = 9.4 lbs. Too match that weight, you would end up with 178 rounds of 7.62x51mm. Now add the weight of the optic/ mount and anything else attached.

On the other end: The difference between 5.56mm and 22lr via loaded ammo above = 2 pounds/ 1 ounce per 100 rds. A rough estimate for a complete 5.56mm upper / optic at right around 3.5 lbs. ( Right at the same weight as 450rds of 22lr) . Now add the weight of any optics/ mount.

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The answer was staring me in the face. My inherited 308 caliber Large-ring Mauser, with aftermarket heavy barrel that my dad had put on way back in the 70's.

I've already put on a timney trigger, and I just got it back from the gunsmith's today.

New Winchester 70 sights, crown, thread, and brake, and armor-black cerakote.
That rifle has 1930 on the receiver and she looks new.

I had previously just thought of it as a hunting arm, but the new finish has me looking at it in a new light..

Now she needs sling, bipod, glass, and start looking at what ammo she likes.

Pics to follow tomorrow when I get off post.
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Fulton Armory will build you a Garand in .308. Match Barrel, match trigger & sights. Wicked accurate and you don't have to stock another calibre cartridge.

Having said that, Garands with scopes are problematic. Your M24 is probably your best bet - you could probably buy 2 or 3 of them for the price of a custom built Garand.

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308 falls like rain after 800 yards. 300 win mag in a Remington 700 is very dependable and a very long range shooter.
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I'm not a Fulton Armory fan. Over priced and over hyped. If not for Walt Kulick, Clint would likely be working graveyard shift in a convenience store.

Remington 700 for me; pre-2000. .30-06.
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270 or a 243 is some thing to look at
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308 is 30-06 lite, just like 30-06 is win mag lite. Above the 30-06 recoil becomes a hurt.

I shoot 110-240 gr out the same barrel. Model 700, 24 inch SS barrel. 1/4 inch groups @ 200 yard zero. Hold over with the contract 10x scope is good out to 725 yards. Before any knobs have to be turned. My buds with 308s and the same scope are stopped at the 600 yard mark, then they are twisting for range.

M1 Garrand can not be scoped past 200 yards and keep a sub MOA shot group. I spent lots buying every scope mount for it. I tired for 2 years. The scope is now on top of the Model 700, and NM rear sight is in the M1. Also oy shoot 147-155 gr pills in it.

From 110gr to 160 gr all my friends are right with the 30-06, we all group about the same. I shoot 178gr A-Max at 2880fps, what no 308 can do. It shot against short barreled win mags (20 inch & under) and shot right with them.

Be advised, this odd six is not a factory rifle. The only thing on it that is Remington is the receiver, bolt housing, and trigger assy. The recoil lug is the biggest one you can get for a model 700. Had to recess the barrel to fit it, and the stock.

When you burn out your barrel, it can be made into a win mag with a chamber ream.
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For longer range and improved accuracy, 6.5 Creedmoor would be the short action ticket, and going back to your military testing requirements, heres a blurb on the military testing 6.5 Creedmoor against 308-

"The United States Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) recently conducted a study comparing the 6.5 Creedmoor, .260 Remington, and .308 Winchester cartridges and they came to a similar conclusion. Compared to the current M118 Special Ball Long Range .308 Winchester load (a 175gr Sierra MatchKing Boattail Hollow Point) currently used by special operations snipers, the 6.5 Creedmoor had less recoil, doubled hit probability at 1,000 meters, had a 33% longer effective range, retained 30% more energy at 1,000 meters, and had 40% less wind drift at 1,000 meters."
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