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Old 10-12-2019, 05:19 PM
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In the high end aircraft upholstery and interior completions world, sewing machines get a big workout. An acceptable machine that can sew leathers, heavy fabrics and more is the Sailrite listed above.
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My wife and daughter consider the new Singer machines to be Junk. They both quilt and find the singer featherweight to be the best. Strong, metal gears and simple. the bad part is that quilters have driven the price up. A cheap one goes for over $200.00. Some of the older ones listed above should work well. My daughter buys and rebuilds the featherweights. She has a web sight "be clever" for her quilting. Not sure how often monitors it. Check one of the quilting sites and see what they have and ask questions. Those old ladies can be helpful.
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FWIW, I have a Sailrite walking foot machine for auto upholstery, multiple layers of vinyl and welting and piping and french seams.
The Sailrite isn't fast, but it will do the job for heavy stuff like leather.

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This site is amazing, it seems whatever project I have going I find a thread talking about it.

Iíve been looking for a heavy duty commercial grade machine and started learning about them from scratch. The machine I see most is a Consew 206rb, and I like what I see.
The Consew 206 is a machine that requires a table with the fractional horsepower motor underneath. Usually clutch activated which can be difficult for new users to operate. Servo motors are available which makes control much easier.

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My brother had a commercial machine (I don't know what brand) and it had a clutch rather than controlling motor start and speed.
I tried a Consew 206 with the clutch. That thing is VERY fast and the clutch is touchy.



They make a portable version:

https://www.amazon.com/Consew-CP206R...%2C229&sr=8-10

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In the high end aircraft upholstery and interior completions world, sewing machines get a big workout. An acceptable machine that can sew leathers, heavy fabrics and more is the Sailrite listed above.
I was going to buy the Sailrite for my leather projects $$$ but kind of gave up on the leather projects.

Beware of the chinesium knock-offs.
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Old 10-19-2019, 08:55 PM
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The Sailrite isn't fast, but it will do the job for heavy stuff like leather.



The Consew 206 is a machine that requires a table with the fractional horsepower motor underneath. Usually clutch activated which can be difficult for new users to operate. Servo motors are available which makes control much easier.



I tried a Consew 206 with the clutch. That thing is VERY fast and the clutch is touchy.



They make a portable version:

https://www.amazon.com/Consew-CP206R...%2C229&sr=8-10



I was going to buy the Sailrite for my leather projects $$$ but kind of gave up on the leather projects.

Beware of the chinesium knock-offs.
Consew are nice I used one a lot.
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Old 10-24-2019, 10:45 AM
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I also agree on the Singer 201. I have one, took a little cleaning and oil but runs like, well a sewing machine.

Bought it with table and a bunch of attachments and parts for $75 on CL.
Keep watching you can get them for about $30. there are some good websites that help you visually identify them even when people don't know what they have.

I have done lots of upholstery work. Leather, denim. Stuff I never imagine it would do. Plus they are durable, through all of the moves, sitting in storage, in dusty, dirty environments, temperatures. Plug it in and it is good to go.

There are nicer machines, but depends on your budget I guess.
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Over the years I have acquired around a 1/2 dozen SINGER 201's, plus spare do-dads & attachment parts at low prices, which I gave to family group BOL members.

They are durable, will most of what you want them to do & relatively simple to repair.

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One issue I had with the Sailrite is that as it is a walking foot machine between the feed dogs and the walking foot it would sometimes mar the surface of the vinyl or leather when sewing right sides out. Right sides together no problem, pulled thick layers right thru.

I solved the problem by laying another layer on top like denim or something with a good backing and the vinyl and leather came thru unscathed.
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I have one of the Chinese hand crank jobs. They work as a copy of one of the Singer machines for working on shoes. Haven't had the time to get mine fully adjusted and working. I think my main issue is using thread that is too large for the needle. Will work on that.

Also, just picked up a Sailrite Sailmaker, which is one of their earlier machines. This thing is like new. I'll be doing some tarp and awning work with it. Will also try to make a couple of take down gun cases. Got it cheap enough that if it doesn't work out, I can move it out for more than I paid for it.

Several years ago, I had a Singer that was made in 1912. It was a heavy machine and you could get almost 3/4" of leather under the foot. My problem with it was that I made a pulley system to gear it down to a slower speed. But, even with the clutch motor and lower speed, I couldn't get it to run slow enough. And, I didn't want to buy another expensive motor, so sold it and got my money back out of it. The other thing with the Singer was that it wouldn't reverse. The Sailmaker doesn't revers either, but I'm hoping that isn't an issue with this one.
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Just discovered that we inherited one of these. No idea if it works but looking forward to finding out.
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Janome:
https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...4&postcount=16
Back in the 1970s, when shopping for a 'new' sewing machine, the retailer strongly urged me to look elsewhere than for a used Singer or Sears Kenmore, because they were junk (in those days). He had a wall of used / repaired / broken Singers that he couldn't unload.
The most reliable company (in those days) was Janome (made in Japan).
Janomes sold under : New Home, Necchi, Elna, Juki, White, TWI, etc. (if made in Japan)

Rotary versus Oscillating hook machines
https://www.quiltingroomwithmel.com/...ting-hook.html
https://www.sailrite.com/Rotary-vs-O...ewing-Machines

Oscillating hook sewing machines have simpler mechanics and tend to be more affordable than rotary hook machines. They are also easier to time and maintain. Since oscillating hook machines have looser tolerances than the precise rotary hooks, oscillating hook machines can sew heavier threads in smaller machines. The drawbacks to oscillating hook machines are that they are louder and are generally not as fast.

If you plan to sew a wide range of materials, thread thicknesses, etc, you'd be better off with the old fashioned oscillating hook (side mount bobbin).

Commercial machines, that are designed to sew just one kind of fabric and thread, are better suited to rotary hook design (drop in bobbin).


NOTE: [missing from new models]
*Adjustable pressure presser foot - useful when dealing with thick or bumpy fabric

*Rolling feed - replaced with box feed that has a tendency to jam on thick fabrics or changes in thickness
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Addendum: AVOID COMPUTERIZED MODELS
Most computerized sewing machines are all proprietary, and thus expensive to replace / repair. Unlike the vast home computer market where one can shop for the best deal on upgrades from many manufacturers, you're stuck with one source. And CPUs can have problems with age - especially overheating - something that is rarely discovered in time. I had an AMD Athlon with stock cooler that ran 100% for years - then BAM - suddenly crashed. Temperature logs showed exceedingly high temps. I tried everything - cleaned HSF - new thermal paste - additional case fans. Eventually had to upgrade to a massive cooler and it still ran too hot at 100%.

In the fast paced home computer market, getting a new computer (or upgrade) every 4 - 6 years is normal, because the latest hardware is faster, cheaper, smaller, cooler, etc, etc. However, that advantage does not work with sewing machines when "old iron" is driven by "old silicon." You generally can't upgrade the chips on the circuit board. Nor will the new circuit boards work with the old designs.
I can see getting 40 - 50 years of good service from an old fashioned all-steel mechanical sewing machine. But I doubt you will get 10 years of service from a computerized model without spending 50% or more on repairs.


YMMV

FYI: Bad reviews of the heavy duty Singer. Typical complaint involves the bobbin and thread jamming.

https://www.amazon.com/product-revie...ews-filter-bar
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I have one of the Chinese hand crank jobs. They work as a copy of one of the Singer machines for working on shoes. Haven't had the time to get mine fully adjusted and working. I think my main issue is using thread that is too large for the needle. Will work on that.

Also, just picked up a Sailrite Sailmaker, which is one of their earlier machines. This thing is like new. I'll be doing some tarp and awning work with it. Will also try to make a couple of take down gun cases. Got it cheap enough that if it doesn't work out, I can move it out for more than I paid for it.
I purchased a Singer industrial machine from the 1960s and I love it (mine's a model 188K, photo is not mine).

These are truly considered to be heavy duty. I had looked at modern "heavy duty" Singers in the local sewing shop, but the salesman even told me that Singers weren't made as well as they used to. So devices like these are not even close as they're made for home usage only. Missus dealt with them (some cheaper-end Janomes, I believe) during their sewing classes, and they won't last long dealing with thick fabrics according to her. They're very poor made: all plastic and almost zero metal parts.

Heard good things about Sailrite, even tried one (as my brother in law bought one for his boat) - these are great. But unless you absolutely need a portable machine, I wouldn't spend the money on a new Sailrite. I would opt for a used industrial machine for the same or a bit more.

Go to Craiglist. Vintage machine would do the trick and will cost you about 100$ (or even less if you're lucky). Must admit, it's tricky to maintain them, but it's not such a pain comparing to modern ones, IMO.
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So I just got my china shoe patcher a few days ago for right at $100. Did the minor assembly and it did sew leather. Lots of youtube vids for slicking them up which it really needs and even adding a motor. Must be 25# of pig iron.

I think I going use 12 V DC windshield wiper so it could be off grid with solar panels.
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I have the Brother Designio DZ3000, it had been a great little machine

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