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There is a reason after all why our bodies crave fat and sugar above all else and will store them as fat as rapidly as possible. If you're not careful in how you starve your body will even start breaking down its own muscle before it goes after its fat reserves.
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Many variables here.
Initial condition of the starving. Obese people have more fat reserves. Those who are used to fasting.may last longer.imho
Age. Very old and very young will die first.
Health. Medical problems like diabetes, metabolic disorders, thyroid problem will die before healthy people.
Rescourcfullness. What food can they glean from the environment? Those who have more food in the pantry, have dumpsters, find fresh roadkill's, know what berries or plants are edible in landscaping,etc will have more food available.
Season. More will die in winter as it takes more calories to stay warm.
How many people are on your rescources. More people eating depletes rescources faster.
Ration ratios. Stretching rations. If you eat more than needed rations deplete faster. So many variables could change the situation.
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Even if 90% do die in a year or less (think Donner party, etc), the ones who live (outside your MAG) will be seriously more dangerous than the 90% would be.
Those 10% will either be preppers or thieves...or some combination of both. They will have survived because of their cunning in preparation or cunning in thievery. Many of the thieves might very well have started out as preppers...but ran short of food..and only had their weapons left to use to survive.
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If you stop eating....zero food...no calories or protein, these are the two conditions that occur

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwashiorkor (no protein)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marasmus (no calories)

Here's a synopsis of what Wikipedia says on the topic:

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There is insufficient scientific data on exactly how long people can live without food. Although the length of time varies with an individual's percentage of body fat and general health, one medical study estimates that in adults complete starvation leads to death within 8 to 12 weeks. Starvation begins when an individual has lost about 30%, or about a third, of their normal body weight. Once the loss reaches 40% death is almost inevitable.
The average American man is about 30% body fat and the average woman is about 40%.

Average american man weighs about 200lbs, average american woman weighs about 170lbs. 60lbs of fat for a man, about 65lbs for a woman. Burning 2000cal/day, at 3500cal/lb of fat, this means the typical american man begins "starving to death" according to the wikipedia definition between 100-110 days after food intake drops to zero.

Making a generous assumption of 1 month of food per person for non-preppers, widespread starving-to-death starvation starts about 15 weeks in, and the average person has died from starvation somewhere between 23-27 weeks, or roughly 6 months.

People with less body fat and less than 1 month of food die sooner. After around 11 months, even the very obese 300ish lbs people die of starvation.

This does not include the other risk factors of malnutrition, such as vitamin-deficiency syndromes, or susceptibility to disease. The very obese who have calories to burn may still die from heart attacks with fat still on their bodies due to lack of protein (organs begin to break down because they cannot repair themselves).
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If you stop eating....zero food...no calories or protein, these are the two conditions that occur

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwashiorkor (no protein)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marasmus (no calories)

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The average American man is about 30% body fat and the average woman is about 40%.

Average american man weighs about 200lbs, average american woman weighs about 170lbs. 60lbs of fat for a man, about 65lbs for a woman. Burning 2000cal/day, at 3500cal/lb of fat, this means the typical american man begins "starving to death" according to the wikipedia definition between 100-110 days after food intake drops to zero.

Making a generous assumption of 1 month of food per person for non-preppers, widespread starving-to-death starvation starts about 15 weeks in, and the average person has died from starvation somewhere between 23-27 weeks, or roughly 6 months.

People with less body fat and less than 1 month of food die sooner. After around 11 months, even the very obese 300ish lbs people die of starvation.

This does not include the other risk factors of malnutrition, such as vitamin-deficiency syndromes, or susceptibility to disease. The very obese who have calories to burn may still die from heart attacks with fat still on their bodies due to lack of protein (organs begin to break down because they cannot repair themselves).
Interesing, but are you sure about that 110 days? Along with using up fat, your body will begin cannibalizing (breaking down muscle and tissue) itself for nutrients that it cannot find, so death may occur from various related illnesses while a person seems to still have some fat.
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The average American man is about 30% body fat and the average woman is about 40%.

Average american man weighs about 200lbs, average american woman weighs about 170lbs. 60lbs of fat for a man, about 65lbs for a woman. Burning 2000cal/day, at 3500cal/lb of fat, this means the typical american man begins "starving to death" according to the wikipedia definition between 100-110 days after food intake drops to zero.

Making a generous assumption of 1 month of food per person for non-preppers, widespread starving-to-death starvation starts about 15 weeks in, and the average person has died from starvation somewhere between 23-27 weeks, or roughly 6 months.

People with less body fat and less than 1 month of food die sooner. After around 11 months, even the very obese 300ish lbs people die of starvation.

This does not include the other risk factors of malnutrition, such as vitamin-deficiency syndromes, or susceptibility to disease. The very obese who have calories to burn may still die from heart attacks with fat still on their bodies due to lack of protein (organs begin to break down because they cannot repair themselves).
I take it you've not watched the various flavors of "Naked and Afraid" then have you? Or perhaps "Alone"?

Some of the Naked and Afraid participants are very visibly malnourished after just 21 days in whatever setting they are dropped in. Even those who've gone on the 40 day challenges have not fared well overall. And a number of the participants are reported to be seasoned outdoors types.
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Here's a caloric calculator


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I think many people stock food that isn't particularly healthy or nutrient-dense and is high in sugar and sodium

Reduce the risk of a number of diseases like heart disease, diabetes, stroke, some cancers, and osteoporosis, high blood pressure, Improve your ability to fight off illness
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I take it you've not watched the various flavors of "Naked and Afraid" then have you? Or perhaps "Alone"?

Some of the Naked and Afraid participants are very visibly malnourished after just 21 days in whatever setting they are dropped in. Even those who've gone on the 40 day challenges have not fared well overall. And a number of the participants are reported to be seasoned outdoors types.
active lifestyle, probably burning 3000+ calories a day

most of them in reasonably good shape at the outset

you can survive with more bones showing than you think. you've seen the holocaust pictures, and pictures of the badly malnourished in Africa

you take those Naked and Afraid folks, don't feed them for another 2 months, and they'd probably look similar
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Also be careful of fat soluble toxins. That is a big reason the biggest loser episodes had to have a doctor.
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Interesing, but are you sure about that 110 days? Along with using up fat, your body will begin cannibalizing (breaking down muscle and tissue) itself for nutrients that it cannot find, so death may occur from various related illnesses while a person seems to still have some fat.
Of course, death may result from any number of things. Starvation is a continuum, you could draw the line somewhere or nowhere, at your choice.

You could begin starving the first day you don't have anything to eat. In this description, 110 days is roughly the point at which the likelihood of dying from starvation goes way way up. Of course some may die earlier. But the average person starts dying between 100 and 110 days after intake drops to zero.

It's not a hard and fast rule for every single person. No rules like that exist. The best you will get is ballpark.
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Also be careful of fat soluble toxins. That is a big reason the biggest loser episodes had to have a doctor.
one reason for sure that you should be rationing food to gradually burn fat instead of waiting to burn fat after you've run completely out

and drink plenty of water to allow your body to flush toxins out
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Even if 90% do die in a year or less (think Donner party, etc), the ones who live (outside your MAG) will be seriously more dangerous than the 90% would be.
Those 10% will either be preppers or thieves...or some combination of both. They will have survived because of their cunning in preparation or cunning in thievery. Many of the thieves might very well have started out as preppers...but ran short of food..and only had their weapons left to use to survive.
Honestly trade and co-operation are way likely to be the things survivors decide to chose. People who survive say 1 year post SHTF will have higher levels of self control , discipline and emotional intelligence. They will have to have to survive. Those people are more likely to chose the optimum long term strategy of co-operation when it makes sense. And it usually makes sense.

It’s also going to matter what level the die off is and does it also kill animals , plants and destroy supplies. For example a virus that killed a LOT of people would leave a lot of cows roaming around. Right now we have enough cows to supply beef to 350 million people or so. If we killed off 300 million people and no cows , we’d have a surplus of beef. Sure with less people to care for them some of the cows would die , but not most.

On the other hand , Yellowstone could really screw up gran production without killing off that many people in the initial disaster.
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"People on the East coast would start walking west where there is actually some cropland."

There is land for crops all throughout the east coast. Do you not know history and the fact that this country started on the east coast?
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I told a hungry hobo yesterday that I was positive with the virus. He was gone real quick.
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There is land for crops all throughout the east coast. Do you not know history and the fact that this country started on the east coast?
Do you not understand current population densities and urban sprawl? There is no where near enough farmland on the eastern part of America to feed the people living there.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Revolution

I don't know how accurate it is, but I've read if this system is interrupted, something like 30% of the worlds population can not be supported. In the last century, there were several famines in different areas of the world, that were no joke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine
anything that is a good blip - in the food supply, causes huge problems. it will be a few months to 6-8 months before we see the impact of what is taking place, hard to know.

plant potatoes and beans ASAP …
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I don't know what this would necessarily add to the conversation, but I will say that since the quarantine has been in effect, I've not been eating out, and usually only twice a day. I'm losing weight already without deliberate rationing. I would say possibly around a pound a week.
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If you stop eating....zero food...no calories or protein, these are the two conditions that occur

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwashiorkor (no protein)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marasmus (no calories)

Here's a synopsis of what Wikipedia says on the topic:



The average American man is about 30% body fat and the average woman is about 40%.

Average american man weighs about 200lbs, average american woman weighs about 170lbs. 60lbs of fat for a man, about 65lbs for a woman. Burning 2000cal/day, at 3500cal/lb of fat, this means the typical american man begins "starving to death" according to the wikipedia definition between 100-110 days after food intake drops to zero.

Making a generous assumption of 1 month of food per person for non-preppers, widespread starving-to-death starvation starts about 15 weeks in, and the average person has died from starvation somewhere between 23-27 weeks, or roughly 6 months.

People with less body fat and less than 1 month of food die sooner. After around 11 months, even the very obese 300ish lbs people die of starvation.

This does not include the other risk factors of malnutrition, such as vitamin-deficiency syndromes, or susceptibility to disease. The very obese who have calories to burn may still die from heart attacks with fat still on their bodies due to lack of protein (organs begin to break down because they cannot repair themselves).
So my diabolical plan will work!! Muhahaha! I should last about 8 months and then all the skinny people will be gone and Iíll get all their stuff....just before Iím torn apart by a pack of hungry dogs....Ok, let me go back to the drawing board.
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While going thru military survival schools I was taught 30 days no food depending on your output. Keep in mind bad things start happening after 15 days to the body
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While going thru military survival schools I was taught 30 days no food depending on your output. Keep in mind bad things start happening after 15 days to the body. That trading was 40 years ago lol
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