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Old 05-14-2013, 02:44 PM
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just learned how to make my own 40SW/10mm bullets from a 9mm case and a 357 mag lead cast bullet, the swaging dies were made using a 7x12 hobby lathe and some Lee dies to hold swaging inserts:



this was alot of fun and they actually shoot! the bullet above is a 200gr bullet for my 10mm
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How about a quick how to? pleeeezzzzeeeeeee!
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you want to know how to make the swage dies, or how to make the bullets?

i will assume you are making 40SW bullets, but the process is the same for 10mm just the cores are bigger....

1) get some 9mm brass (range pickup is perfect), then wash it off, then i ultrasonic clean them

2) anneal the brass (soften it up), you can do this with a propane torch, hold the case in the flame using pliars until it turns orange then let it air cool

3) find some lead cores, easiest way is if you can cast your own 9mm or 357 mag bullets, but you can use lead shot, lead wire, or any number of things so long as you can put it inside the 9mm case... you need about 120 grains of lead core to make a 175 grain 40SW finished bullet... if you can find some lead 120-125 gra 9mm bullets that would work perfect

4) bell the mouth of the 9mm case with a Lee Universal Expander Die, then drop in the lead core, then seat the core using the same Lee Expander die until the core is about 0.1" below the case mouth

5) swage the case in the lead swaging die expanding the case to around 0.398", lube the case with lanolin first

6) put the case in a Lee 220 Swift sizing die to form the ogive (the nose), this will form the nose of the bullet but the case is now too big

7) finish size the bullet in the sizing die so that the shank is sized 0.3990 to 0.3995, lube with lanolin first

now they are ready to shoot

you will either have to make, or buy the following dies: core sizer, core seater, core swage, point forming die, and bullet sizing die... I made my own dies using inserts that drop into a Lee powder thru expander die, and also the Lee 220 Swift die for the point former... total cost ~ $100 for this project, but it would cost you around $500 - $1000 retail if you buy your own
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Very cool! Swaging is the next step in my evolution. I've been casting for a good while now, and I've wanted to start swaging jacketed bullets for about as long.
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Go to www.ch4d.com. Their 101 swaging dies can make either hollow point or softpoint bullets in the most popular calibers. I used their dies on a RCBS Rockchucker press to make .40 caliber bullets. I also used 9mm brass, but made a 180 grain hollowpoint.

380 auto brass makes very nice .357 bullets.

Can post some pics after I get home tonight.
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The store bought dies for this purpose are just way to expensive. I do have a lathe so maybe need to mess around and see what I can come up with. Guess you could swage a 380 case to fit thru a 9mm. What might work in a 45 auto?
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for 45acp or 44 mag you swage 40sw

for 223 or 243 you swage 22LR
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Here are my .40 caliber bullets

Here's some .35 caliber bullets I made out of .223 cases.

Tackleberry is right though, that these dies are getting damn expensive now that swaging is catching on. I bought my .357 dies back in 1994 for just 58$. How things change.
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This is a great way to make rifle bullets.
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hardest part of making your own dies is the point forming die... if you are making pistol bullets then you can buy the Lee sizing dies for this (about $13 off the Lee website), but if you are making rifle bullets then you have to make a custom reamer to make your own... that is where i am going next, as the next project is to make .223 projectiles from .22LR brass
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i have a 17" span 3" diameter lathe i could use to cut the dies... please post dimentional schematic if you can

i swage my cast boolits, but it only manipulates the diameter of the lead cast and brings it into a tolerance of 0.001"... (i.e. 40 cal bullets are swaged to .401", 45 bullets are swaged to .452, 44 bullets are swaged to .430, etc.)... it lubes them at the same time as well (RCBS lubrisizer).

i want to eventually swage my 22 hulls into 223 jackets, but i need to get some custom dies and swaging lube from BTSniper over at the cast boolits forum
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you oversize a cast boolit by 0.001 or 0.002, but you don't do this with your own jacketed swaged bullets, you keep them on or under spec

my system is based on turning inserts that drop into a Lee powder thru expander die... my lathe likes 12L14, it turns very easily and i plan to case harden them eventually... if you are making 40SW/10mm you are taking a spent 9mm case that has an OD of about 0.388 to 0.390, and you are bringing it up to 0.3995 or so... my system is also based on using my reloading press and not a swaging press, so i try not to swage up or size down any more than 0.005 at a time to keep the forces down on my press...

the first die you need to complete is the core sizer, we can talk about these dies one at a time, but if you start with this one, which is the easiest to complete, it will give you the skills to finish the rest of them...

Core Sizing Insert - this will take a 9mm or 357/358 cast boolit and size it to 0.355 so it will drop into the 9mm case... this one is easy to turn, you start with 9/16" 12L14 round stock and it's OD is the same as the ID of the Lee Powder thru expander, so it drops in... you drill out this insert to 0.355" which is 9mm, you can get these drills from McMaster, then polish to as close to mirror finish as you can, the smoother the better... and i recommend that you either learn how to sharpen your own drill bits or buy a Drill Doctor, i opted for that and i dont regret it... i use a cast 357 mag boolit from my Lyman 357466 mold, i trim off the ogive with some tin snips and it gives me a perfect 140 gr insert that will produce a 200gr bullet when finished... you need to realize that what most swagers do is use some type of lead wire and they use a "squirt die" to size the cores so they are uniform and all the same weight, but i am bypassing all this by using the cast boolits and trimming/sizing them... you will also have to make a punch that fits in your press ram and is able to push the boolit thru, and you will also have to make a stop that screws in the top of the die and holds the insert in place... the punch is made from a 1/2" grade 8 bolt, and the stop that fits on top is made from a 5/8"-18 grade 5 bolt (easier to turn/drill than grade 8)... you need a Lee 9mm Powder Through Expander Die, but just the die body, you can purchase it from Lee here:

http://leeprecision.com/exp-di-body-9mm.html

you will have to bore out the opening of the Lee die to about 0.45" or so in order for the boolits/cases can pass thru... i am sure i left something out, but that will get you started... one more thing, you need some swage lube... most guys use lanolin, but i have been using imperial sizing wax until i can get some lanoline/castor oil mix... i can show you a pic later if you want, all the pieces i described are in the pic above

edit: BT Sniper makes fantastic swaging die systems but they are $$$, i think the 22LR to 223 complete system will set you back around $1200!
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yea BTs stuff is pricey, but they do work with a lee classic press... i know the demand far exceeds his production capability as well.

also tracking in OD spec differences between cast lead and jacketed.
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but you know BT started out just like you and I are now... he asked questions on the cast boolits forum and read the archives, his first swages were ugly but look at him now! it aint rocket science and all the dies and tools can be made at home...
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His last post was over 4 years ago.
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It's a cool project, but good Lord a lot of work for a little payoff. Buy a bullet mold, and powder coat in a $5 Good Will toaster oven. Same, if not better performance as jacketed. I cranked out 600+ finished 147 gr 9MM bullet this afternoon in 2-3 hours while watching TV. Using swaging I would have finished 100 in the same time. This is a outdated practice that will be dead in a few years.
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Not quite dead, but very few. I swage my own rifle bullets for benchrest competition, many serious shooters do. It is time consuming and expensive to get the dies, presses, and components. But in the end, and hand swaged bullet will shoot much more accurately than an off the shelf bullet.
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Im not swaging any bullets,but I do plan on drawing some down this weekend. My favorite 30 cal bullets are discontinued by Speer. 180 gr round nose. I mostly hunt thick wooded areas for deer and hogs. The 180's are loaded just above 30-30 velocity in a 30-06. Dead accurate and low recoil. I will be drawing down.311 speer 180's though a .308 diameter die. First time I've done this. Hope I don't get bullet separation. Will mic all bullets and start low on the reloading tables. I could easily buy a different brand, but I don't like cannulared bullets because i seat mine so far out to the rifling.


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I have bumped jacketed bullets up and down many years ago. Spring back can happen which can cause a separation between the jacket and the core. 0.003 isn't much, but I'd still test your group size before you do a lot of them.
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