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sarco 2000 Check out Smoke over on Cast Boolits, you can purchase 3 1/3 lb. samples for the same price as 1 lb. of a single color. My favorites are Carolina Blue or Signal Blue, Flame Red or Super Durable Clear. He is a great guy to deal with.

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sarco 2000 Check out Smoke over on Cast Boolits, you can purchase 3 1/3 lb. samples for the same price as 1 lb. of a single color. My favorites are Carolina Blue or Signal Blue, Flame Red or Super Durable Clear. He is a great guy to deal with.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...raying-bullets
Thanks for that, I will check him out when I run out of HF Red.

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Nice work. Cast bullets provide flexibility to your system.

For anyone looking to use cast bullets, try this site....

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I use Lee liquid alox or Lyman moly lube. Depends on how I size. I size all projectiles and use gas checks if the projectile was built for them. I keep rounds with gas check below 2000 fps, and projectiles without to about 1200 fps. I don't have leading issues. the moly lube works well in some of my older military rifles with minor pits. I shoot a lot of cast projectiles but can't hunt with them in California. Prior to the lead ban I shot a lot of ground squirrels with cast bullets. the sad thing is that is is hard to find cheap lead here and I'm down to my last 100 pounds
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I use Lee liquid alox or Lyman moly lube. Depends on how I size. I size all projectiles and use gas checks if the projectile was built for them. I keep rounds with gas check below 2000 fps, and projectiles without to about 1200 fps. I don't have leading issues. the moly lube works well in some of my older military rifles with minor pits. I shoot a lot of cast projectiles but can't hunt with them in California. Prior to the lead ban I shot a lot of ground squirrels with cast bullets. the sad thing is that is is hard to find cheap lead here and I'm down to my last 100 pounds
Until this past year about the only cartridge I shot cast bullets in over 2K fps. was my Sav. 170B pump action 30-30. It has a slower twist bore 1:12" so it much easier to drive the bullet faster and keep it stable. You can get away with some things as far as cast bullets go under 2K fps. but once you cross that threshold you have to have all your ducks in a row to get good accuracy and performance with you bullet, alloy, lube and powder combination but I get lots of enjoyment out of doing.

Ever since the 165 gr. 30 XCB bullet came out several years ago I always wanted one for my 30 cal. rifles especially my 30-06 an 300 Sav. It's been a great cast bullet accuracy wise for longer range shooting as well as a hunting bullet but the initial run of molds got scooped up before I could purchase one and the recent group buy over on Cast Boolits I didn't find out about till it was closed. I know Al at NOE always has some overuns so I've been keeping a close watch on his site an sure enough they showed up this week and I ordered mine over the 4th. I've waited about two years to get one.

I ended up buying myself a 3 cavity gas check version for the price of a two cavity and threw in a top punch as well for my RCBS lube sizer if I want to use it at some point, I mostly shoot powder coated bullets in rifles and handguns but I always test both with identical loads and shoot whats the most accurate. Al had his molds on special during the July 4th holiday week plus I had a 10% off discount code. After all was said an done I paid $78 shipped to my door, I can't wait to cast up and shoot some of these bullets in my 30-06.

I plan on using H-4198 to start with an see if I can hit the 2500 fps. velocity range in my 30-06 and just go from there if the accuracy hold up. Lots of powders to work with in the slower burn range and alloy combinations to get some excellent results.

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Cast up about 150 of the 30 XCB bullets this morning. I only had a limited time today to work with them so I just coated about ten each using Super Durable Clear and Popping Silver Vein gas checked and sized them to see how they would turn out. I cast a random set of samples during the casting process and after they cooled I measure and weighed each set. The bullets across the sampling weighed between 167.0 and 167.3 grs. Two bullets from the mold using my micrometer measured .311" while the third bullet measured .311.5" The powder coating added around .002" to the diameter before sizing. I might, can get these bullets to work in my SKS and Mosin rifles as well which would be a bonus.

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Finally, got out a couple weeks ago and shot some test groups using the 30 XCB cast bullet in my 30-06. I ended up settling on 35.0 grs. of H-4198 which gave me a average MV of 2292 fps. over a 5 shot string.

I shot these loads off a sand bag in the back yard range at 50 yds. 100 yds. is about the max. range I can shoot at around here anyway so 50 has proven to be a good reliable qualifying range that holds up accuracy wise out to 100 yds. with my cast loads.

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I got side tracked and didn't finish sighting in my 06. I'll do that later this fall. A bear has moved on to the ridge where I set up my range. I am a big fan of 30-30 with cast projectiles. My savage 24V is a tack driver and has been for over 20 years with cast projectiles. I like bolt action rifles and have stevens 325 in 30-30. It is not bad either. Most of my cast shooting is in a Ruger 77/357. It is quite a rifle and cast rounds make it very versatile. Cast loads are not a loud as other loads. Something to think about in a time of chaos.
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If the friggin hot weather ever cools off where I can work in my shop and run a furnace I am going to have a big casting session and some 170gr 30 caliber bullets will be the first up.

I am sure you have seen this before but some may not have. Great thread by the way.

https://www.hensleygibbs.com/edharri...The%20Load.htm
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If the friggin hot weather ever cools off where I can work in my shop and run a furnace I am going to have a big casting session and some 170gr 30 caliber bullets will be the first up.

I am sure you have seen this before but some may not have. Great thread by the way.

https://www.hensleygibbs.com/edharri...The%20Load.htm
I had never read this and enjoyed as it related to a lot of the old military rifles in my barn. Too bad it did not drop down to 6.5 or 7mm. I shoot 150 gr cast projectiles in all of my 30 cal rifles. I have played with other projectiles but alway come back to the 150. I too also mould once or twice per year. I usually do new moulds, then projectiles that I am short on. that was .224 and .258 last year with some 308 projectiles for fill in. I'm organizing projectiles and will see what is needed when the weather turns. the only new moulds this year are a 9mm t 124 and a 457 450 hollow base. I do need to load some more 30-06 projectiles in various weights to see what my 30-06 likes. I also have a pile of mauser parts and a couple of 308 barrels so who knows what the winter will bring
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If the friggin hot weather ever cools off where I can work in my shop and run a furnace I am going to have a big casting session and some 170gr 30 caliber bullets will be the first up.

I am sure you have seen this before but some may not have. Great thread by the way.

https://www.hensleygibbs.com/edharri...The%20Load.htm
I feel your pain on the hot weather, it's finally going to cool off this coming weekend but I've already done lots of casting already this as I get out in the early morning before the heat and humidity gets up and cast a couple hours. I started replacing all my two cavity Lee molds with six cavity molds and they make quick work of a 20 lb. pot of lead.

I cast the Lee 150 an 170 gr. RN FP bullets and shoot them in 30-30, 300 Sav. as well as my newly acquired 30-06. They both make great plinker, small game or even larger game loads with Red Dot, 2400 or Unique. Your pretty much limited to med. or lower velocities with the Red Dot but 2400 or Unique will get you up to 1800+ fps. with 170+ gr. bullets. I like Red Dot though and use it a lot in my 30-30 plinker loads.

Before I settled on 4198 in the 30-06 loads with the NOE bullet, because I could get higher velocity than with the other powders, I tried a few different loads using the Lee 170 gr. RN FP and the Lee .312" 160 gr. TL bullet designed for the 7.62 x 39 sized to .309 none of them shot bad and probably shoot better if I had shot the test loads slower than the limited amount of time I had to shoot them.

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The Lyman #3 Cast Bullet Manual has load data for the 6.5 Swedish and 7 mm Mauser using Red Dot. If you give me some cast bullet weights I can give you the load data that best matches the bullets you using.
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The Lyman #3 Cast Bullet Manual has load data for the 6.5 Swedish and 7 mm Mauser using Red Dot. If you give me some cast bullet weights I can give you the load data that best matches the bullets you using.
What have you for 308 if you don't mind me askin?

The site you mentioned earlier in this thread has or had a member there that loads cast 308 bullets specifically for his M1A. ( My plan as well.)

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I see you found some Red Dot data from Lyman for those rounds. I think the main point of "The Load" article was using Red Dot and cast bullets. When I get some of the 170gr 30 cal bullets cast up I want to try them in my 30-30s with Red Dot. But I will start around 7grs and up to 10grs. As long as I can get up to 1700fps from a 30-30 with lead I will be happy. I know it can be pushed close to original jacketed bullet speeds and I will if the the load stays together on groups. But a lighter load will still kill deer and hogs and do it with less blast.

I had a light load for my 30-30 I shot at a deer with and I missed. But my bud who was in a tree stand on the other side of the tree line later asked me if I had shot and I said yes. He said it was not load at all and wasn't even sure it was a gun shot. I liked that.

Brian Pearce wrote an article using a light 30-30 load with a lead bullet and reported it to have a low report in sound. That low report may be important one day.
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What have you for 308 if you don't mind me askin?

The site you mentioned earlier in this thread has or had a member there that loads cast 308 bullets specifically for his M1A. ( My plan as well.)

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Well I would say that thread on shooting cast lead in the M1A is probably your best bet knowledge wise as I have never dabbled in loading cast lead in any of the US semi-auto service rifles. My only experience is shooting cast lead in semi-auto rifles is in three different SKS variants which are a different animal as far as the gas system goes.
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I see you found some Red Dot data from Lyman for those rounds. I think the main point of "The Load" article was using Red Dot and cast bullets. When I get some of the 170gr 30 cal bullets cast up I want to try them in my 30-30s with Red Dot. But I will start around 7grs and up to 10grs. As long as I can get up to 1700fps from a 30-30 with lead I will be happy. I know it can be pushed close to original jacketed bullet speeds and I will if the the load stays together on groups. But a lighter load will still kill deer and hogs and do it with less blast.

I had a light load for my 30-30 I shot at a deer with and I missed. But my bud who was in a tree stand on the other side of the tree line later asked me if I had shot and I said yes. He said it was not load at all and wasn't even sure it was a gun shot. I liked that.

Brian Pearce wrote an article using a light 30-30 load with a lead bullet and reported it to have a low report in sound. That low report may be important one day.
I use Red Dot for my light plinker loads with 150 & 170 gr. cast lead bullets in my 30-30, your probably not going to get to where you want to be with Red Dot. Here is some accumulated data from a couple of my Lyman Cast Bullet manuals.

170 gr. cast bullets

Red Dot 6.5 grs. 1159 fps. 8.5 grs. 1348 fps.

Unique 7.0 grs. 1240 fps. 10.6 grs. 1555 fps.

SR-4756 7.0 grs. 1102 fps. 10.5 grs. 1423 fps.

W231 6.0 grs. 1175 fps. 8.0 grs. 1275 fps.

TiteGroup 4.5 grs. 960 fps. 6.5 grs. 1383 fps.

2400 7.0 grs. 1005 fps. 11.0 grs. 1377 fps.

Bullseye 5.0 grs. 990 fps. 7.4 grs. 1263 fps.

RX7 20.0 grs. 1632 fps. 28.6 grs. 2165 fps.

H-335 20.3 grs. 1638 fps. 32.5 grs. 2230 fps.

IMR-4198 18.0 grs. 1606 fps. 24.0 grs. 2013 fps.
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