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Old 09-18-2019, 10:17 PM
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Thanks. That was the leading choice.
Will do some research as to the weather.
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Old 09-19-2019, 07:28 AM
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Ask some of your farming neighbors for the latest practical date you can sow wheat. Rye is a little more hardy and a great green manure crop and it suppresses weeds. Same conditions apply for both.

I'm preparing my ground right now for my cover crops. Several gardens and will vary rye and wheat depending on the garden. Also have a couple of gardens that are still growing crops and I'll cover crop them in a week or two.

Part of one of them I used buckwheat for cover this summer. Expensive seed though and it is not a winter crop.

When you buy your seed ask for cover crop wheat or rye. Many people use it for deer feed plots and seed is very cheap (and all you need for cover). I paid abut $11 a bushel for the last several years.

One thing you might think of, I started growing at least a couple of plots of wheat because it is a potential store of (good) food early in the summer if needed. Rye not so much, but edible.
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Old 09-23-2019, 06:26 PM
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Would you suggest tilling everything under for the winter? I am going to do the rye.
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Old 09-23-2019, 08:37 PM
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If you are talking about your present crop residue, absolutely yes. The more organic matter you can turn into the soil the better.

In the spring, plow your rye under when it is less than a foot high (plowing). If you are using a rototiller turn it under sooner. It grows pretty fast in the spring and can get unwieldy in a hurry. If it's too wet to work the soil, and it gets too big, just mow it first.

The tilth of your soil will improve every year by turning a cover crop under.
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Old 09-23-2019, 08:49 PM
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Here in Western Arkansas we are still two or three weeks away from tilling the gardens under. It was not a good year for gardens in the Arkansas River Valley. We had record amounts of rain early, losing a lot of sunshine while getting it. Then it was hot all of a sudden. I have spent more time rebuilding the electric fence around my garden than working inside it this summer.
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Old 09-23-2019, 10:51 PM
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Thanks guys. Whatever was going to come out of the garden, came out of the garden.

It is a small garden, so I use a rototiller I inherited from an uncle. It is so old and so cool. Every now and again I look at new ones, and they just need an mp3 player for gods sake.

The plan will be to put as much organic matter into the soil. Then plant the rye.

But, I have read about covering it with tarps when the snow falls. The rye and tarps seem to be in conflict, and wondering if I am simply able to avoid the tarp because I have the rye.
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Old 09-24-2019, 07:52 AM
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If you are really curious about the effects, put a tarp on a small portion of the garden and see what happens.

In the long run, I think you will be better off with yearly cover crops. Nature doesn't use any 'tarps' that don't decompose in your soil.

I'm working on my rye and wheat plantings right now too. I have huge 'gardens'.
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Old 09-24-2019, 08:03 AM
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Here in Western Arkansas we are still two or three weeks away from tilling the gardens under. It was not a good year for gardens in the Arkansas River Valley. We had record amounts of rain early, losing a lot of sunshine while getting it. Then it was hot all of a sudden. I have spent more time rebuilding the electric fence around my garden than working inside it this summer.


Last summer in my area we had record amounts of rain too. Just about double the yearly average. Some flooding etc. For the first time ever I lost my entire potato crop. What didn't drown got taken over by weeds that flourished in the rain and I couldn't work the garden because it was too wet. Good experience for the possibilities in SHTF.

I was one of the few people that had much of anything because I also had a sizable high tunnel. S'funny, normally irrigation is extremely beneficial here because the summers get dry but last summer I succeeded because I was able to keep the 'wet' within bounds in the 'greenhouse'.

This summer was much like yours, only not too wet . Just right rainfall early on and then zilch. Except for a few sprinkles, almost zero rainfall in August and so far in September.
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@ citizendino, did you get your cover crop planted and did it sprout?
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Like others have mentioned.. Dead leaves work quite well and are free
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