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Old 03-24-2020, 07:08 PM
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I missed the wholesale change in allegiance of the Western progs from Moscow to Peking. Now very obvious with the current chicom flu rampant as they parrot the CCP line. Mainstream media down to this forum's house libs.

When and how did this occur? I think I missed it. The whole Confucius Institute crap on college campus was pathetic but can always expect college "educators" to jump on any marxist fad that comes along passing out trinkets and a few $.

The progs stuck with the Russians all the way thru the great melt down, corrupt "capitalism" experiment, and resurgent KGB/Putin. The left stuck with the Russian love in even after the KGB stopped passing $ out to them.

Did exactly did they abandon the Russians? When they went all in for Czar Putin? Or was it when the Russian Orthodox Church was allowed out of the gulag? The left does hate them some religion. Evidence is the recent Russians ate my homework meme used to bash Pres Trump. The Russians did it, the Russians did it.

Very clear that the left now LOVES the CCP/chicoms WAY more than the Russians. As their love has always been substantially about the cash, have to assume the chicoms are passing out piles of it.
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The Dems sold out to China in 1996. Bill Clinton was not able to raise any money to fund his reelection campain, so he traded missile guidance technology, and the design of the W80 warhead for cash.

This relationship continued with the Obama admin, funding of the Clinton foundation, and Hillarys election campain.

The Bush family were also very close to the Chinese, but they focused on offshoring our manufacturing.
George HW Bush talked about a new world order free of terrorism on Sept 11, 1990. What an idiot!
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Did exactly did they abandon the Russians? When they went all in for Czar Putin? Or was it when the Russian Orthodox Church was allowed out of the gulag? The left does hate them some religion.
When the USSR fell. The American political left are Godless communists and pretty much hate anything to do with Jesus (but Mohammed is fine, he plays for the same team ultimately).

http://www.russian-faith.com

If I was 35 or under I would learn Russian and consider moving there.

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The Bush family were also very close to the Chinese, but they focused on offshoring our manufacturing.
George HW Bush talked about a new world order free of terrorism on Sept 11, 1990. What an idiot!
History will judge the Bush family very harshly.
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Communism, National Socialism, and what is commonly called liberalism today are just different versions of the same thing: fools duped by liars into forging their own chains.

The liberal cult will support whoever is best equipped and most dedicated to the war on freedom. Since America is the land of the free, any enemy of America is a friend of the liberal. This is why they are allied to whoever is most hostile to America.

If Russia was again to fall under the control of the communists, the liberal cult would side with Russia as much as it ever did, even in the days it was giving aid and comfort to the Soviet empire while Reagan was winning the cold war.

In fact the liberal cult never stopped supporting Russia; Obama and Hillary both made that very clear. All the liberal propaganda about Trump (and his supporters) being Russian assets is nothing but the tactic of projection the liberal cult uses. To the extent there is hostility between America and Russia, America's enemy is a friend of the liberal.

So whether it's China or Russia or Islamic jihadists, the liberal cult will be allied to them.

[Note to grammar nazis: I use the word whoever here even though whomever is the correct word grammatically, because in my opinion use of the grammatically correct word constitutes hyper correctness.]
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I missed the wholesale change in allegiance of the Western progs from Moscow to Peking. Now very obvious with the current chicom flu rampant as they parrot the CCP line. Mainstream media down to this forum's house libs.

When and how did this occur? I think I missed it. The whole Confucius Institute crap on college campus was pathetic but can always expect college "educators" to jump on any marxist fad that comes along passing out trinkets and a few $.

The progs stuck with the Russians all the way thru the great melt down, corrupt "capitalism" experiment, and resurgent KGB/Putin. The left stuck with the Russian love in even after the KGB stopped passing $ out to them.

Did exactly did they abandon the Russians? When they went all in for Czar Putin? Or was it when the Russian Orthodox Church was allowed out of the gulag? The left does hate them some religion. Evidence is the recent Russians ate my homework meme used to bash Pres Trump. The Russians did it, the Russians did it.

Very clear that the left now LOVES the CCP/chicoms WAY more than the Russians. As their love has always been substantially about the cash, have to assume the chicoms are passing out piles of it.
Ideologically some of the left has always been aligned with the former USSR and China.

The thing is, past trade deals made Red China heavily industrialized and modernized at an extremely accelerated pace.

We made them rich but most importantly and an often overlooked fact is besides making them rich we also made them a massive consumer market.

Like US businesses, US politics also operate on the premise "Money talks, bull**** walks."

A small initial investment lead up to essentially a favored status in trade, they have made a ton of cash.

Cash which is then turned around to buy influence both in business and politics.

There's always a chicken and the egg type argument on whether business leads politics or politics leads business but it doesn't matter a money is the universal lubricant that powers both machines.


There is definitely Chinese money in global politics as well as business.

Case in point: that in the past 15 or 20 years Hollywood/ Film making have been heavily catering to Chinese audiences and will go to such lengths to even censor domestic products to align with Chinese policy.

Because China has turned into such a huge consumer market, non-chinese businesses are often strong armed into complying with Chinese culture and regulations to either stay viable or to even be let into their market.


China really isn't the problem at the end of the day.

The way our government legislates and allows foreign money and lobbying is the problem. It all started with the government in the first place by enabling them to gain great wealth in which to buy more global influence both politically and business wise.




So if you watching CNN or some other **** like Disney and wonder why there's a lot of pro Chinese messaging or lack of coverage on certain events pertaining to China or why certain politicians will defend them on a whim, there's a good chance a Chinaman has his hand up their ass just puppeteering them and feeding them talking points and literal propaganda.
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This is an elitists (NWO) attack to bring the world under control. It appears to be working. Everyone is hyped up on being afraid of this virus and almost demand being locked down.
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Heck, Trump himself said "I have great respect for china" today in his wuhan virus update and kissed xi's ass on twitter.

WE THE PEOPLE are on our own.

Oh wait... I forgot.... it's more 4D chess.
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Ideologically some of the left has always been aligned with the former USSR and China.

So if you watching CNN or some other **** like Disney and wonder why there's a lot of pro Chinese messaging or lack of coverage on certain events pertaining to China or why certain politicians will defend them on a whim, there's a good chance a Chinaman has his hand up their ass just puppeteering them and feeding them talking points and literal propaganda.
You make very good points here and I can see that you know the subject well. And I agree that liberals shamelessly commit the capitalism they systematically attack. But I still think the main reasons Hollywood (and all liberal media) are allied to China is that liberals and communists are ideological soulmates and share the same agenda, and just as important, liberals understand that the enemy of their enemy is their friend.

I remember years ago when I was studying propaganda (in order to better understand the weapon the liberal press was using against America) I had two books in a big stack of books; one was filled with political cartoons from (nominally) American media, and the other one was filled with political cartoons from Pravda, translated into English. At one point the realization dawned on me that there was no difference between them. And these all came from the time Reagan was winning the cold war.

The liberal cult puts its war on America first, and capitalism second. Many among them do make themselves rich, but I still think that's secondary to their main goal.
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So, lable the Left as domestic enemy combatants then!?! As inefficient and prone to low quality control as the CCP has been historically, how long can they sustain thier viablity as a global super power, short of using nukes? More pointedly, obviously thier new BnB to Africa is an Antarctic run, with portprivledges in Uraguay, Paraguay and Ecquador (and New Zealand?). How long can they maintain those shipping lanes and military backed security amid a constant barrage of breakdowns, founderings and lost ships? I dont doubt thier resources, I doubt thier QC.

As noted earlier, the Left hates freedom. Fortunately, they are concentrated in urban areas during CV. Ironic.
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Probably when Chinese export-oriented industries started to grow during the early 1990s.
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