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Old 12-03-2019, 10:34 AM
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On one hand are news consumers who regard Breitbart as a heavily biased news outlet, and hence unreliable. On the other, Breitbart news articles are often (a) published nowhere else in professional media; and (b) factually based on the citations, references, and quotes provided in the text.

A case in point is a recent article suggesting a rationale behind the militant left-wing Socialist Progressives end of the Democratic Party insisting on abolishing US borders and adopting an "open immigration" policy ending controls on who can immigrate to the US.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...y-immigration/

Various quotes and research data suggest that immigrants essentially are focused on the sorts of improvements to their personal well-being that cause them to vote Democratic in elections on the local, state, and national level.

Cases are cited that suggest specific locations where immigration played a determining role in "flipping" political districts from "red to blue".

"The U.S. is on track to import about 15 million new foreign-born voters in the next two decades should current legal immigration levels continue. Those 15 million new foreign-born voters include about eight million who will arrive in the country through chain migration, whereby newly naturalized citizens can bring an unlimited number of foreign relatives to the country.

University of Maryland, College Park researcher James Gimpel has found in recent years that more immigrants to the U.S. inevitably means more Democrat voters, and thus, increasing electoral victories for the Democrat Party."


"The New York Times and Axios admit that legal immigration at its current rate will continue shifting the American electorate more towards Democrat control."

It certainly seems clear that the US requires a consistent inflow of legal immigration to maintain its economy and economic growth. Immigrant workers provide expertise to fill jobs and develop the innovation which will drive US production and GDP throughout the next two decades.

But IF the data are found to be true, that immigration will come with a price.

Over the next 20 years or so, the nation may tilt inexorably toward the Democratic Party - driven significantly by US immigration policy. The US badly needs Immigration Reform, and if Trump wins another 4 years, Immigration Reform should be a key goal for his administration.
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Wasnt that the obvious goal from the start?
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Why do you think the emphasis changed from immigrations from educated, hard-working countries to ****hole countries?

We actually have teams of people who travel the world helping people immigrate from ****hole countries. My sister-in-law is one of them. She spends 6 months at a time working in other countries. She's never been assigned to a civilized country. She's a progressive liberal, so she thinks she is doing something good.

Why do you think Trump wants to change to a merit-based immigration system and the Dems are so vehemently opposed?

Trump's system will benefit the country and assures more insanity.

The Dems system only benefits Democrats.
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Wasnt that the obvious goal from the start?
Indeed...but it's still surprising that Democrats are coming out now and openly admitting that the reason they want open borders and mass immigration is to ensure they win future elections.
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Indeed...but it's still surprising that Democrats are coming out now and openly admitting that the reason they want open borders and mass immigration is to ensure they win future elections.
Immigration and voter fraud are the only ways they can win an election.
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The Hispanic numbers have already grown enough that the Dems could jettison private unions from their coalition. Now they are all free trade globalists. They'll continue to grow those numbers until the African Americans are no longer needed. By then there will be no need to pander to the LBGTQXYZ community other then to try to pull over some of the stranger white people. The old guard white Dems may lose control and get tossed by then.

The Muslim "Dems" have less in common with the LBGTQXYZ group then the Southern Baptists and Log Cabin Republicans. So as Muslim numbers increase their true social conservatism may start rubbing Dem groups the wrong way. They aren't into drugs, alcohol, non-traditional lifestyle and marriage and like to use government to harshly control those sorts of activities.

There may come a time when enough Hispanic Catholics get involved that the Dems will have a hard time keeping on message with Roe v Wade.

Who knows, maybe a smooth talking Hispanic Conservative comes along and pulls so many votes his way, the Dems pucker up and start talking about immigration, fences, and border control again like they did decades ago when they pretended to care about working Americans.
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The Democrats are doing this for power. The Republicans are doing it for mere money.
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On one hand are news consumers who regard Breitbart as a heavily biased news outlet, and hence unreliable. On the other, Breitbart news articles are often (a) published nowhere else in professional media; and (b) factually based on the citations, references, and quotes provided in the text.

A case in point is a recent article suggesting a rationale behind the militant left-wing Socialist Progressives end of the Democratic Party insisting on abolishing US borders and adopting an "open immigration" policy ending controls on who can immigrate to the US.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...y-immigration/

Various quotes and research data suggest that immigrants essentially are focused on the sorts of improvements to their personal well-being that cause them to vote Democratic in elections on the local, state, and national level.

Cases are cited that suggest specific locations where immigration played a determining role in "flipping" political districts from "red to blue".

"The U.S. is on track to import about 15 million new foreign-born voters in the next two decades should current legal immigration levels continue. Those 15 million new foreign-born voters include about eight million who will arrive in the country through chain migration, whereby newly naturalized citizens can bring an unlimited number of foreign relatives to the country.

University of Maryland, College Park researcher James Gimpel has found in recent years that more immigrants to the U.S. inevitably means more Democrat voters, and thus, increasing electoral victories for the Democrat Party."


"The New York Times and Axios admit that legal immigration at its current rate will continue shifting the American electorate more towards Democrat control."

It certainly seems clear that the US requires a consistent inflow of legal immigration to maintain its economy and economic growth. Immigrant workers provide expertise to fill jobs and develop the innovation which will drive US production and GDP throughout the next two decades.

But IF the data are found to be true, that immigration will come with a price.

Over the next 20 years or so, the nation may tilt inexorably toward the Democratic Party - driven significantly by US immigration policy. The US badly needs Immigration Reform, and if Trump wins another 4 years, Immigration Reform should be a key goal for his administration.
or the republican party needs to figure out how to court them. Many of them are hardworking with traditional values. Republicans have been labelled as the party of white people.
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An interesting read regarding the interaction of immigration, wealth equality/inequality, and history going back into the centuries before Christ.

https://aeon.co/essays/history-tells...alth-gap-leads

No simple causes. It's an interplay of many cyclical patterns, immigration being just one.

No simple solutions, other than war and plagues.

Scroll down to the chart comparing wealth inequality and general well-being, if you do nothing else.
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or the republican party needs to figure out how to court them. Many of them are hardworking with traditional values. Republicans have been labelled as the party of white people.
A significant reason for that can be attributed to evolving demographics.

The country for most of the 20th century featured a majority that was predominantly white and Christian. Given that very shortly white Christians will become a minority in the US, there will be many changes - some easier to manage, some not so easy - that will change the face of US politics.

Even now, the GOP is in reality not the party of white people so much as the party of established people - there are plenty of black and hispanic conservatives. But I'd agree that if the GOP is concerned about continuing immigration leading to Democratic-owned elections, one glaring solution is to get a bigger tent. Find a way to reach out to conservatively-oriented immigrants - and there are plenty of them as well from India, the Indo-Pacific, etc. Not everyone coming across the border thinks the same.
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How do you reach out to them when the 24/7 media message is they are all racists? Even people like Ben Carson and Marco Rubio.
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It's part of the reason Trump won.

Blacks and blue collar workers saw that the Dems had decided to concentrate on illegals over their previous core constituency.
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or the republican party needs to figure out how to court them. Many of them are hardworking with traditional values. Republicans have been labelled as the party of white people.
I fully agree. And the hard working people with traditional values tend to do very well.

Keep in mind that the majority of black folk voted Republican until LBJ bought them with his War on Poverty. Even Martin Luther King was a Republican.

LBJ's most famous quote during his push for the War on Poverty was "If we push this through, I'll have those ******s (yes, he did use the N-word) voting Democrat for 200 years."

This was the most prophetic thing LBJ ever said. He was right.

The Democrats have an advantage when they continually push for more freebies at taxpayer expense. It's a brilliant scheme that doesn't cost them a penny. It also caters to the large percentage of minorities who don't want to work hard because that would be "acting white."
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