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Got all the needed spices and hardware ordered to make some sausage. I needed some spices they don’t seem to have around here and a medium-large orifice grind plate for my meat grinder. I have about 30 pounds of venison from last year just begging to be made into breakfast, summer and andouille sausage....
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Talking to a fella on Craigslist who is selling a running motor that would be a direct replacement for the tired one on my old troybuilt tiller. Mines a 6HP, his is 8. Should bolt right up and get me rolling some dirt.
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LOL. Great minds think alike. I was thinking the same thing.
I'm thinking a little fixing up and they woulda be perfect for renting out during hunting season.

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Next trip out to the BOL, going to sort through our antler pile & bring a bunch home.

That pile is worth around $6 to $8 a pound



Then build an antler chandelier something on the order of the one pictured below.

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Feeling a lil “horny”??? Hahaha.
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Around here those antlers just get used for knife handles and zipper pulls. Not much of a market for them at all.
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Around here those antlers just get used for knife handles and zipper pulls. Not much of a market for them at all.
They sell them for dog chews and get about $10 a pound around here.
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Here the squirrels would make short work of that pile.
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Got the job DONE.
Staked a mile long placer gold deposit, with massive reserves.
Multiple mining cabin ruins along the deposit.

Access was far better than I thought.
Placer gold deposit is also bigger / better than I could hope for.....







Didn't tent camp out. Wimped out & rented an off-grid cabin in the area to stay in.
My advanced age, poor health & physical condition warranted doing so.

What is involved in staking a gold claim? I looked into in the past as a way to make a small claim and be able to set up a nice determinant camp spot where we could stay for more than 2 weeks at a time. From what I remember it was quite a lot of hassle.
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What is involved in staking a gold claim? I looked into in the past as a way to make a small claim and be able to set up a nice determinant camp spot where we could stay for more than 2 weeks at a time. From what I remember it was quite a lot of hassle.
I will do a "write up" and post it in a new separate thread ASAP.
It's not tough to do, if you learn the procedures & "shortcut" tricks of doing it.
So long as I am able, I would be willing to help out a few of those wishing to do so.

Best to acquire a mining claim NOW. It will not be long before .GOV does away with initiating mining claims & convert to a leasing system including paying royalties.

Just like you used to be able to initiate, occupy & patent HOMESTEADS, which was REPEALED.

Those that acquire a mining claim NOW, will be "grandfathered" in *& protected under the existing system.

There are all sorts of industrial minerals & building stone open to location by mining claims, other than gold. You can also acquire non-mineral ground by staking/filing a "mill" site claim.

Mining claims are locatable in 19 states: Arizona, Alaska, California, Oregon, New Mexico, Wyoming, Florida, Colorado, Washington, Nebraska, Nevada, Arkansas, Idaho, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana, Utah, Mississippi and Louisiana.

"Under the mining laws a person has a statutory right, consistent with Departmental regulations, to go upon the open (unappropriated and unreserved) Federal lands for the purpose of mineral prospecting, exploration, development, extraction and other uses reasonably incident thereto." (See 30 U.S.C. § 21-54, 43 C.F.R. § 3809.3-3, 0-6).

There is no question that reasonable access to a valid mining claim cannot be denied. 36 C.F.R. § 228.12; see United States v. James and Marjorie Collard, 128 IBLA 266, 291 (1994).

The discovery of a valuable mineral deposit within its limits validates a mining claim located on public land in conformance with the statute and its locator acquires an exclusive possessory interest (valid existing private property rights) in the claim; a form of real property which can be sold, transferred, mortgaged, or inherited, without infringing the paramount title of the United States. 30 U.S.C. § 26; Cole v. Ralph, 252 U.S. 286, 295 (1920); Forbes v. Gracey, 94 U.S. 762, 767 (1877).

The claimant has the exclusive right to possession and enjoyment of all the surface included within the lines of the locations, but the United States retains title to the land. 30 U.S.C. § 26, 35; Union Oil Co. of California v. Smith, 249 U.S. 337, 349 (1919); Wilbur v. U.S. ex rel. Krushnic, 1930, 50 S.Ct. 103, 280 U.S. 306, 74 L.Ed. 445; California Coastal Comm'n v. Granite Rock Co., 480 U.S. 572, 575, 107 S.Ct. 1419, 1422, 94 L.Ed. 2d 577 (1987); Swanson v. Babbitt, 3 F.3d 1348, 1350 (9th Cir. 1993).

16 U.S.C. § 481, Use of Waters: All waters within boundaries of national forests may be used for domestic, mining, milling, or irrigation purposes under the laws of the state wherein such national forests are situated or under the laws of the United States and the rules and regulations established thereunder.

30 U.S.C. § 26 addresses the "locators' rights of possession and enjoyment" as follows: "The locators of all mining locations on the public domain so long as they comply with the laws of the United States, and with State and local regulations not in conflict with the laws of the United States governing their possessory title, shall have the exclusive right of possession and enjoyment of all the surface included within the lines of their locations."

"When the location of a mining claim is "perfected" under the law, it has the effect of a grant by the United States of the right of present and exclusive possession. The claim is property in the fullest sense of that term; and may be sold, transferred, mortgaged, and inherited without infringing any right or title of the United States. The right of the owner is taxable by the state; and is "real property", subject to the lien of a judgment recovered against the owner in a state or territorial court. The owner is not required to purchase the claim or secure patent from the United States; but so long as he complies with the provisions of the mining laws his possessory right, for all practical purposes of ownership, is as good as though secured by patent." Wilbur v. U.S. ex rel. Krushnic, 1930, 50 S.Ct. 103, 280 U.S. 306, 74 L.Ed. 445.

“Valid” federal mining claims are "private property"
Freese v. United States, 639 F.2d 754, 757, 226 Ct.Cl. 252 cert. denied, 454 U.S. 827, 102 S.Ct. 119, 70 L.Ed.2d 103 (1981); Oil Shale Corp. v. Morton, 370 F.Supp. 108, 124 (D.Colo. 1973).

This possessory interest entitles the claimant to "the right to extract all minerals from the claim without paying royalties to the United States." Swanson v. Babbitt, 3 F.3d 1348, 1350 (9th Cir. 1993).

Even though title to the fee estate remains in the United States, these unpatented mining claims are themselves property protected by the Fifth Amendment against uncompensated takings. See Best v. Humboldt Placer Mining Co., 371 U.S. 334 (1963); cf. Forbes v. Gracey, 94 U.S. 762, 766 (1876); U.S.C.A.Const. Amend. 5; North American Transportation & Trading Co. v. U.S., 1918, 53 Ct.Cl. 424, affirmed 40 S.Ct. 518, 253 U.S. 330; United States v. Locke, 471 U.S. 84, 107, 105 S.Ct. 1785, 1799, 85 L.Ed. 2d 64 (1985); Freese v. United States, 639 F.2d 754, 757, 226 Ct.Cl. 252, cert. denied, 454 U.S. 827, 102 S.Ct. 119, 70 L.Ed. 2d 103 (1981); Rybachek v. United States, 23 Cl.Ct. 222 (1991).

The holder of a claim supported by a discovery need not seek patent; his unpatented mining claim remains a fully recognized possessory right. 30 U.S.C. § 39; United States v. Locke, 471 U.S. 84, 86 (1985).

If a discovery of a "valuable mineral deposit" is made, the claim can be held indefinitely so long as the annual assessment work is performed, the necessary filings are made, fees are paid, and a valuable mineral deposit continues to exist. See Best v. Humboldt Placer Mining Co., 371 U.S. 334, 336, 83 S.Ct. 379, 382, 9 L.Ed. 2d 350 (1963).

Such an interest may be asserted against the United States as well as against third parties (see Best v. Humboldt Placer Mining Co., 371 U.S. 334, 336 (1963); Gwillim v. Donnellan, 115 U.S. 45, 50 (1885)) and may not be taken from the claimant by the United States without due compensation. See United States v. North American Transportation & Trading Co., 253 U.S. 330 (1920); cf. Best v. Humboldt Placer Mining Co.

"Uncompensated divestment" of a valid unpatented mining claim would violate the Constitution. Freese v. United States, 639 F.2d 754, 757, 226 Ct.Cl. 252, cert. denied, 454 U.S. 827, 102 S.Ct. 119, 70 L.Ed. 2d 103 (1981).

A valid location, though unpatented, is a grant in the nature of an estate in fee and if such an estate is taken…, just compensation must be made. See U.S.C.A. Const. Amend. 5, North American Transportation & Trading Co. v. U.S., 1918, 53 Ct.Cl. 424, affirmed 40 S.Ct. 518, 253 U.S. 330.
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Moved out of the market into a money market account. Repaired the gate actuator by replacing a limit switch on the control board and replacing the contacts for the batteries which had corroded..
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Also, got back a 8000 sqft (minimum, probably larger) building on 3 acres. Looking to lease it out as a car dealership or sublease for shops or light manufacturing in Murphy, NC near the casino. Would love to put in a prepper market specializing in survival goods, but dont have the capital to get started right now. May open up one of the smaller buildings into a gallery for my photography, woodwork and instrument making....
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Just cancelled my renter's insurance with a company I didn't much care for and got close to triple the coverage for about 5 bucks a year than I'd been payin'. If I decide that I want to collect more guns that're worth lots of money, I can pay bit more, but for now I'm covered for 10 grand in firearms.
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Next trip out to the BOL, going to sort through our antler pile & bring a bunch home.

That pile is worth around $6 to $8 a pound



Then build an antler chandelier something on the order of the one pictured below.


A chandelier?.... A chandelier? Ummmm. (Man card comment redacted; NOT! ) How about knife handles, pistol grips or even a sling shot! OK, maybe one at my cabin in Tennessee might class up the joint.

Moving on. an old chat on the subject from the blade forum.. https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/...erial.1362483/

More than one person mentioned the chemistry of staining a piece of antler.

Comment: There's some nice work shown there. Confession; I didn't know it took years for the antlers to fully dry out.

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A chandelier?.... A chandelier? Ummmm. (Man card comment redacted; NOT! ) How about knife handles, pistol grips or even a sling shot! OK, maybe one at my cabin in Tennessee might class up the joint.
Certainly, I will make some knife handle scales, pistol grips, short horn wall mounted coat hanger racks etc., besides a chandelier. Historical fact, small diameter antlers used to be cut thin & used to make buttons for coats, before zippers were invented.

We already have some elk décor on the high walls at our BOL.

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I have friends that have made very good money off horns. One guy sells them, the other makes end tables, chandlers, knife handles, belt buckles and such then sells them.
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Local 99 cent store buy. Bought all 26 cans they had .
Best by date is Nov. 2020

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Found the same basic thing at the local 99 cent store.



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Just got back from a mining claim staking trip to the woods.
It was cold wet nasty rainy weather most of the time there.

Caught a slight case of the runny nose sniffles.
Applied some medicated "chest rub" when I got home, to help alleviate it.

I noticed this stuff contains camphor and eucalyptus oil & the carrier is petroleum jelly.
All of which is VERY flammable.
Rubbed some on a cotton ball & ignited it. (see pics below)

LOL, it works better than Vaseline alone.
It ignites as easy as napalm, has a big flame envelope & burns a LONG time

Container its comes in is plastic, compact, lightweight & VERY durable.
It makes a very functional duel purpose FIRE STARTER TINDER
As well as a good chest rub, to help clear up your sinus's & stuffy - runny nose.



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Saw a guy with a sign (WILL WORK) standing at a rural intersection a few miles from our rural home. Stopped, offered him a few bucks gratis. He said he is not a panhandler, but I insisted he take the money. Long story short, Vet suffering from PTSD & way down on his luck, sleeping in a old open one side horse shed in an unused pasture.

Gave him a ride to near his camp & told him I would be back in around an hour & honk a signal to let him know I was there & it was me. Went home, emptied food & some gear out of one of my jeep Cherokee's recently used for a trip to the Mtn's mining claim staking.

Then took it to & gave it to him gratis. He was so thankful he nearly cried.
No big deal for me (I haven tons of spare gear & food), but made his life a bit better.

Went home, made a few calls, found him a good paying grunt work job that pays cash under the table daily. Now calling around trying to find him a minimal place to stay for free or his labor.

UPDATE >
Found him a temporary grunt work job at a logging camp, where he can stay in a small trailer as nighttime job site security. Kills 2 birds with one stone, as he doesn't need transportation to/from the job site.

Going back in the morning to take him to the job site. Hope it all works out for him.

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Good on you BB, filling up the ‘ol karma bank. Just don’t be too disappointed if it only helps him short term. Some of us can keep a handle on “issues” and just go through hard times. Some, especially Vets, have demons that won’t shake loose. Hopefully this guy is the former and can come back from the dead end trail. I’ve helped folks with similar “gifts” but I’ve yet to hear of one getting their act together.
At least you tried.
Today must be “help folks” day in the boondocks. I saw some guys on the side of the road trying to load an old pickup on a trailer. I pulled over and helped them wrestle it on. From the looks of them they were not the most upstanding type so I did my good deed and rolled out. You never know who (or what) you’ll meet out here and since I’d like to think someone would help if it were my wife or myself, it’s bad juju to simply pass by.
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