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So now I'm curious, what is the SOP for CDC and related agencies when it hits level 6? Lockdown? Massive closures of public venues? Martial law? Anything written on paper on this that we can expect?
Take worse case scenario.

If you where in charge what would you do?
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In case there's anyone reading who has the least, tiny bit of confidence in the CDC, please read Randy Shilt's book "And the Band Played On." It's about the beginning of AIDS and the thousand blunders the CDC made. Among them: (1) telling reporters there was no evidence that the disease was infectious even as they were drawing lines which identified Patient Zero and his sexual contacts, (2) making no attempt to screen blood for the virus (even before the virus was identified, researchers knew it affected t-cell levels; checking the t-cell level in blood would have identified most infected donors).
The blood industry, however, didn't want to do any form of screening (it would have hurt their profits), so most of America's hemophiliac population was wiped out.

I don't know what the CDC will do if there's ever a real pandemic, but I'm positive it'll be a total screw up. It always is.
The CDC is not a magical place its manned by humans doing the best they can with all the self serving politician at their back, for more on how bad it could be and no fault of the CDC but of people and their superstitions here are two books that give you the insight of how lucky we are nothing nasty has come a calling.

The Fatal Strain
On the Trail of Avian Flu and the Coming Pandemic
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Epidemics and Pandemics
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Wow. Scary stuff. Best idea seems to bug out and get away from everyone and listen to the radio for updates.
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Wow. Scary stuff. Best idea seems to bug out and get away from everyone and listen to the radio for updates.

Hope you didn't mean the standard, broadcast radio stations. The report specifically indicates The Plan is to keep the General Public more-or-less in the dark until Stage 4. HAM radio is the way to go. Even if you just get a receiver to monitor the the NETS during emergencies. No license needed to listen only.
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we bought some hibiclens today. sounds like the stuff will stay on your skin and kill bacterial and fungal problems for hours after application. if my family needs to wear a mask, we simply won't go in public places, but before that, I think using hibiclens as a protective layer might be a good idea.

I read that too much or sensitive people could have an anaphylactic shock response, so we will use only a little at first.
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we bought some hibiclens today. sounds like the stuff will stay on your skin and kill bacterial and fungal problems for hours after application. if my family needs to wear a mask, we simply won't go in public places, but before that, I think using hibiclens as a protective layer might be a good idea.

I read that too much or sensitive people could have an anaphylactic shock response, so we will use only a little at first.
LP, you probably already know this, but for new folks: if you have an item such as Hibiclens which warns of possible anaphylactic shock reaction and you've never used it before -- keep a bottle of Benadryl handy. If you can get your MD to prescribe an EPI pen, even better. Mine won't because "your allergies aren't serious enough. Just don't eat at seafood restaurants and you'll probably be okay." Ergo, I don't eat at restaurants that even prepare lobster, crab, shrimp or shell fish.
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It appears that MERS is in between Stages 4 and 5. Interesting stuff. Thanks for posting (even though I'm just now seeing it!)
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Thanks for posting this very important document. Although we plan and prep for the worst, something like a global pandemic could really be the ultimate equalizer. If you have any contact with people anywhere, at work, out shopping, neighbors helping neighbors, etc (probably 99.999% of us), then we are suseptible to infection, illness, incapacitation, and possible death.

I recently downloaded an Amazon Kindle book called "Lights Out. How It All Ends." This is a bunch of well written articles culled from the Scientific American magazine. Various 'end of the world' scenarios are covered, everything from nuclear war and its short and long term effects, global warming/cooling, asteroid impact, food shortages, environmental collapse and global pandemic. Regarding the pandemic threat, it was interesting to learn how quickly these things mutate rendering even the most up to date vaccines obsolete very quickly.

The take away I got was that if a full-blown pandemic comes to pass, it's pretty much keep yourself and loved ones isolated as long as possible, keep the fingers crossed, pray and hope it passes you by. Expect much death and disease and not much of a world left for the lucky(?) few who survive. Scary stuff...
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What a fascinating read!
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I was struck again (after reading it for the 2nd time) with the amount of "innocuous sounding" phrases and buzz words. Example: "nonpharmaceutical public health interventions." Depending on which country you live in, this could mean anything from quarantine to a public information blitz campaign to wash your hands, stay home if symptoms are present, and wearing N95 (or better) face masks and nitrile gloves when in public.

Repeated use of the word: "nosocomial" (I had to look that one up to be certain even though I guessed correctly from the context). It means contracting the pandemic version of whatever disease in a health care setting -- doctor's office, hospital ER, Quick Care place, or as in-patient for an unrelated medical problem.

This is one reason why it is good practice (immho) to scan various news outlets, including some "fringe" news sites, to look for info which may not be carried in the country of your residence. If something looks sketchy, ask a medical person you trust if XYZ is making the rounds in your immediate area.
Great advice. Post is nearly a year old, but I add to quote.

I've considered before, many disease related SHTF scenarios may begin with government messages to stay home. The economy and local, state, trade may take a massive hit with so many simply not working and staying at home, but it beats millions sick. Millions of Americans staying home all day watching day time tv, reading and staring at the wall. Not many keep a few days of food on hand at all times. Boredom and slight hunger, not starvation may be the prompt of people beginning to leave their home and contributed to localized social unrest.

Government and CDC broadcasted messages telling people to stay home would be the kick off of a SHTF situation. Many would unfortunately go to work worrying they'd lose their job for missing a shift. The outside world outside of many American's homes and apartments would be a semi ghost land. Freeways wouldn't become clogged and jammed, they'd be desolate.

The advice about scanning foreign news sources for signs of outbreak is terrific. That and having a doctor in close company, sort of like "on payroll"

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Hope you didn't mean the standard, broadcast radio stations. The report specifically indicates The Plan is to keep the General Public more-or-less in the dark until Stage 4. HAM radio is the way to go. Even if you just get a receiver to monitor the the NETS during emergencies. No license needed to listen only.
As much as I hate Doomsday Preppers, one of the the best thing I've ever considered to add to my survivalist/prepped goods is a HAM radio.
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So now I'm curious, what is the SOP for CDC and related agencies when it hits level 6? Lockdown? Massive closures of public venues? Martial law? Anything written on paper on this that we can expect?
http://www.flu.gov/planning-prepared...ementation.pdf
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Containment….How you ask?
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Millions of Americans staying home all day watching day time tv, reading and staring at the wall.
Welfare? There's already a few million of those.
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So, how many folks have noticed that we are now at WHO Pandemic level 6 (un-affected country, so far), and that with the first confirmed American infection will leap to level 6 (affected country)?

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I follow the Organic prepper's blog and here is a link to a great article about Ebola, CDC instructions to Hospitals and some very good prepping advice.
http://www.theorganicprepper.ca/when...-real-09152014

Personally I think we shouldn't wait for CDC or any organization to issue an official report of Pandemic level, before we start prepping for Ebola outbreak. We must have enough preps to see us through an extended lockdown, if it comes down to that.

If we lucky and Ebola skips our Countries, then at least we will have preps for when the next pandemic hits the world, be it SARS or whatever. The preps will not go to waste.
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There's a link to the full report at the bottom of the Original Post. It's a small .pdf download, but it's safe. I've downloaded it.
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There's a link to the full report at the bottom of the Original Post. It's a small .pdf download, but it's safe. I've downloaded it.

What I don't understand is "we are now at WHO Pandemic level 6". Who is the "we" referencing?
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What I don't understand is "we are now at WHO Pandemic level 6". Who is the "we" referencing?
Paravani is referring to the United States of America, specifically. However, I think it's safe to say that our main allies: Canada, United Kingdom, France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand and Tasmania are more or less in the same boat. However, Australia's media are more straight-up with the information they put out about conditions on the ground in west Africa. I'm not sure if they've "crossed the Rubicon" to inform Australian citizens about CIDRAP's assertion that medical personnel treating Ebola patients should have the highest level of breathing equipment.

Over on the monster discussion thread, I posited that we (mainly in the U.S.) are seeing the WHO go 'off script' from this 2005 paper addressing a 'Flu pandemic. The CDC seems to still be in "we-will-bring-this-outbreak-under-control-please-be-patient" mode. The next six months to a year are certainly going to be interesting, and not in a good way.
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This may be their official documented plan but I don't think that anyone currently involved in the Ebola level 6 Pandemic has even read it.

In the summary of changes since the 1999 plan: “Focusing greater attention on earlier phases when rapid containment may contain or delay the spread”…..
Well, thank God, it’s not 1999…would they still be drinking mimosas and reading the paper about now???
But wait, there’s more….”such measures would include enhanced surveillance and use of non pharmaceutical public health interventions and consideration of a possible deployment of global intervention stockpile”….
But…they did not seem to do any of the above. Did they 'consider' the possible deployment of global intervention stockpiles and decide, “nah”…. Note: the stockpile was defined later as including PPE, technical assistance and lab diagnostics. They DEFINITELY could have used that.
Phase 6: Pandemic phase. The WHO’s objective:” To serve as official global source and focal point for credible information related to the pandemic.” HA! Why are they waiting until the Pandemic phase? I guess once they officially announce Phase 6, they are going to start giving out credible information. That will be a welcome change.
More highlights: Phase 6: Pandemic phase. No longer feasible to trace contacts. Voluntary quarantine (such as home monitoring) of healthy contacts is a no in phase 6 as well.
Restriction of travel to and from affected area in phase 6: Pandemic Phase: No. "Enforcement of travel restrictions considered impractical in most countries but likely to occur voluntarily when risk appreciated by the public”
Cordon Sanitaire: No for all phases. “Enforcement considered impractical”

Measures for travelling from affected countries: separate sick passengers if possible and give masks to all travelers upon embarkation. Wait…earlier in the document, they did NOT advise masks for any of the phases including phase 6, of an Influenza epidemic. Their comment on masks “Not proven to be effective. Permitted but not encouraged.”

This document highlights for me how ridiculous the WHO has responded in light of the Ebola epidemic that I don’t think that I can stand to read anymore. It explains why they have been so adamant about not closing the border or issuing travel restrictions. They believe that it's too impractical and that the spread of the virus world-wide is inevitable.

Something else that I kept on noticing and just noticed again in the National Response document linked above...they keep saying that they will coordinate CONSISTENT messages from phase 2 on. "Work with partners to promote consistent messages to promote personal safety and public health.” We are definitely seeing a ‘consistent’ message.
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