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what is happening when the lights are out in cali. be forwarned
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This is a crystal ball look into what it would be like with a major disaster or attack. These people should use this as a learning exercise.

Although I'm not currently affected I do live in CA and am better suited to handle this than these people. Turn a negative into a positive.

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BE A GREAT teaching article to use ...if... you could actually teach people something.
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This is a crystal ball look into what it would be like with a major disaster or attack. These people should use this as a learning exercise.

Although I'm not currently affected I do live in CA and am better suited to handle this than these people. Turn a negative into a positive.

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You would think it would be a learning exercise but this is in the OP article:

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Our 11th disaster in four years was brought not by wildfire, not by flood, but by the negligence and abuse of authority of the Pacific Gas & Electric Co. and the California Public Utilities Commission,” county and city leaders wrote Wednesday in a letter to the CPUC.
Not to pick on them, since they article seems to cherry pick people with hardships and financial issues. I have plenty of friends and family in Low Country SC that never prepare even after experiencing hurricane scares and tropical storms every year for decades. And they have plenty of money and time to do so.

I have been thinking about adding another small generator as a backup-backup or loaner for a while now. I regularly watch the box store apps and peruse their stores and the base NEX taking note of the prices and inventory. I thought all the fire headlines would have a run on generators even though we are not in PGE territory.

Nope. They'll sit there until the lights go out.
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You would think it would be a learning exercise but this is in the OP article:



Not to pick on them, since they article seems to cherry pick people with hardships and financial issues. I have plenty of friends and family in Low Country SC that never prepare even after experiencing hurricane scares and tropical storms every year for decades. And they have plenty of money and time to do so.

I have been thinking about adding another small generator as a backup-backup or loaner for a while now. I regularly watch the box store apps and peruse their stores and the base NEX taking note of the prices and inventory. I thought all the fire headlines would have a run on generators even though we are not in PGE territory.

Nope. They'll sit there until the lights go out.
It's everywhere. After Hurricane Michael everyone who didn't have a generator, went out and bought one. I got a back up inverter generator reg $700 for $125 at HD after the electric was back on. This was "returned" and sold as "reconditioned"

People don't prep, they make due and then utilize the 30 day return policy. Rinse Repeat. And if it's really bad, they'll hear your little putter and see how they can barter with you... and if you say no, then the'll ask the next person who's got a putter sound in their back yard. Ask me how I know.

One neighbor who's generator broke after the hurricane had a large BBQ and cooked off frozen meats. They won a lot of points in the minds of others when the truth is, they would have had to toss out the food... next thing you know the backyard neighbor let him run an extension cord to their home...
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You would think it would be a learning exercise but this is in the OP article:



Not to pick on them, since they article seems to cherry pick people with hardships and financial issues. I have plenty of friends and family in Low Country SC that never prepare even after experiencing hurricane scares and tropical storms every year for decades. And they have plenty of money and time to do so.

I have been thinking about adding another small generator as a backup-backup or loaner for a while now. I regularly watch the box store apps and peruse their stores and the base NEX taking note of the prices and inventory. I thought all the fire headlines would have a run on generators even though we are not in PGE territory.

Nope. They'll sit there until the lights go out.
MY KIDS grew up in the woods where I live and dealing with power outages on a semi regular/weather related basis.
Both grown up and married, moved away to "civilization" where they both have great jobs as engineers.
One has a generator, one has not. Both have needed one because civilization is not always civilized.
Not that the one doesn't know any better...Who knows why???????

I actually have 4 different gens on the property right now.(2- 9000w elec start and 2- Coleman Powermate 1800w) A 5th 5000KW is at the neighbors next door. He is away a lot and his wife had trouble starting their manual start so I loaned them an elect start 5000w so I wouldn't have to go over there in the middle of the night and start their pull start.
THe little Colemans have been bulletproof. One of them is over 30 years old and has been all over NA with me on my various adventures. During summer, one will power everything I need but the fridge and freezer. I start a big one to recharge them and go back to the Coleman. Run 6-7 hours on a gallon of gas. You can still find them on Craigs for a couple hundred bucks every now and then.
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MY KIDS grew up in the woods where I live and dealing with power outages on a semi regular/weather related basis.
Both grown up and married, moved away to "civilization" where they both have great jobs as engineers.
One has a generator, one has not. Both have needed one because civilization is not always civilized.
Not that the one doesn't know any better...Who knows why???????

I actually have 4 different gens on the property right now.(2- 9000w elec start and 2- Coleman Powermate 1800w) A 5th 5000KW is at the neighbors next door. He is away a lot and his wife had trouble starting their manual start so I loaned them an elect start 5000w so I wouldn't have to go over there in the middle of the night and start their pull start.
THe little Colemans have been bulletproof. One of them is over 30 years old and has been all over NA with me on my various adventures. During summer, one will power everything I need but the fridge and freezer. I start a big one to recharge them and go back to the Coleman. Run 6-7 hours on a gallon of gas. You can still find them on Craigs for a couple hundred bucks every now and then.
I have a couple also.
Northern tool 11,000 watt Powerhorse (assembled but not started to keep the carb clean)
Coleman Storm Commander 6500 watt
no-name 4000 watt still in box. (Bought 4 in Arkansas after the Tulsa Ice Storm around 2006 or whenever,gave 3 to co-workers at cost and hooked up their furnaces. My power didn't go out though.).
Generac 2500 watt. (old Y2k)
HF 800 watt. new in box. Threw out the older one because I left it on the deck and it got very rusty.
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I have a couple also.
Northern tool 11,000 watt Powerhorse (assembled but not started to keep the carb clean)
Coleman Storm Commander 6500 watt
no-name 4000 watt still in box. (Bought 4 in Arkansas after the Tulsa Ice Storm around 2006 or whenever,gave 3 to co-workers at cost and hooked up their furnaces. My power didn't go out though.).
Generac 2500 watt. (old Y2k)
HF 800 watt. new in box. Threw out the older one because I left it on the deck and it got very rusty.
I DO NOT like surprises
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2-3 times a year if we haven't lost power I first drain all the gas and then replace with fresh gas with Stabil treatment.
Then, I start the gens let them run for about half an hour.
Get out the meter and check the voltage output.
Shut them down
Check oil, and refill with new treated gas
Put them back away.
Have been doing that for about 40 years with the various generators I have owned and never had a problem with one.

The one I have had the longest is the 1800 Powermate. Been around for at least 30 years. The others, the newest is 2 years old a dual fuel 9K for the main house.
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Mogli could have given them a lesson on how exactly to step up to the plate and be prepared for evacuation and living in those conditions. Nothing is handed to you, you must invest , build up your preps to be resilient .
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Following the last blackout, he realized he couldn’t afford to be closed that long. It forced him to burn through the savings he had squirreled away for the upcoming slow months. So he hunted down a generator 100 miles away in Yuba City and paid $1,700 for it.

It takes about 12 gallons of gas at a time and runs only for six hours.

That means he had to come in at 3 a.m. each day or it would shut off and he would lose all his food. But gas became scarce — there were no open stations in town.
He could have bought a new Honda 2200i for less and it would run nearly twice as long on just one gallon of gas.
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He could have bought a new Honda 2200i for less and it would run nearly twice as long on just one gallon of gas.
Sounded like the guy was trying to run his restaurant on the genny.
The restaurant I worked at as a kid had.

2 - Walk-in Freezers
Walk-in fridge
Air conditioning
Lights
Exhaust fans.
electric griddle
toaster
Heat lamps
Warming drawers for potatoes
Big convection Oven
3 deep fryers
Commercial ice machine
smaller fridges on prep line.
Industrial dishwasher
Misc food processors, mixers, blenders.
Several coffee machines.

So that would need a big generator. probably 30 kW to limp along (or much more if running normally),or 15 times larger than a 2 kw.
Would only need to run the refrigeration units at night, but during the day we used a lot of power (and natural gas for the broilers. )
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Sounded like the guy was trying to run his restaurant on the genny.
The restaurant I worked at as a kid had.

2 - Walk-in Freezers
Walk-in fridge
Air conditioning
Lights
Exhaust fans.
electric griddle
toaster
Heat lamps
Warming drawers for potatoes
Big convection Oven
3 deep fryers
Commercial ice machine
smaller fridges on prep line.
Industrial dishwasher
Misc food processors, mixers, blenders.
Several coffee machines.

So that would need a big generator. probably 30 kW to limp along (or much more if running normally),or 15 times larger than a 2 kw.
Would only need to run the refrigeration units at night, but during the day we used a lot of power (and natural gas for the broilers. )
Couldn't view it for some reason. Removed?

You'd think that a person would shut down some of the big electricity hogs, if he's having trouble keeping it full. The fridges and freezers rotating load shouldn't be that high.
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Or maybe he was? Maybe too small a generator.

You'd kind of think some Californians would be happy to do their bit...
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Couldn't view it for some reason. Removed?

You'd think that a person would shut down some of the big electricity hogs, if he's having trouble keeping it full. The fridges and freezers rotating load shouldn't be that high.
It was in the OP article.

"Jose Arevalo owns the Country Kitchen restaurant in Clearlake Oaks, a town of about six blocks and 2,000 people along Highway 20. He estimates that after being closed for four days, he could lose more than $10,000.

Following the last blackout, he realized he couldn’t afford to be closed that long. It forced him to burn through the savings he had squirreled away for the upcoming slow months. So he hunted down a generator 100 miles away in Yuba City and paid $1,700 for it. It takes about 12 gallons of gas at a time and runs only for six hours. That means he had to come in at 3 a.m. each day or it would shut off and he would lose all his food. But gas became scarce — there were no open stations in town.

“It’s stressful,” he said. “You have to get (money) from somewhere else to continue to pay the bills.”"
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SMH at people saying they can't bathe, do laundry, or wash dishes.

Bigger concern is crime. Hood rats know that when the lights go out, so do security systems and cameras.

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Sounded like the guy was trying to run his restaurant on the genny.
The restaurant I worked at as a kid had.

2 - Walk-in Freezers
Walk-in fridge
Air conditioning
Lights
Exhaust fans.
electric griddle
toaster
Heat lamps
Warming drawers for potatoes
Big convection Oven
3 deep fryers
Commercial ice machine
smaller fridges on prep line.
Industrial dishwasher
Misc food processors, mixers, blenders.
Several coffee machines.

So that would need a big generator. probably 30 kW to limp along (or much more if running normally),or 15 times larger than a 2 kw.
Would only need to run the refrigeration units at night, but during the day we used a lot of power (and natural gas for the broilers. )
The article said he was worried about losing the food so I took that to mean he was running refrigerators and freezers.

I doubt he got a 30KW machine for $1700
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The article said he was worried about losing the food so I took that to mean he was running refrigerators and freezers.

I doubt he got a 30KW machine for $1700
He was trying to still run his restaurant according to the article, (because he needed the income). Also judging from the fuel consumption rate and my familiarity with at least 1 restaurant led me to guess it was around 30 kw.
My 11 kw unit was around $700 when I bought it on sale. It was hard to resist at that price and i figured it might run one of my central air conditioners if direct connected with short wiring.

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"Following the last blackout, he realized he couldn’t afford to be closed that long. It forced him to burn through the savings he had squirreled away for the upcoming slow months. So he hunted down a generator 100 miles away in Yuba City and paid $1,700 for it. It takes about 12 gallons of gas at a time and runs only for six hours. That means he had to come in at 3 a.m. each day or it would shut off and he would lose all his food. But gas became scarce — there were no open stations in town.

“It’s stressful,” he said. “You have to get (money) from somewhere else to continue to pay the bills.”"

12 gallons in 6 hours is a LOT.
Diesel fuel consumption chart.
https://www.dieselserviceandsupply.c...nsumption.aspx
A gasoline genny is a lot less efficient than a diesel. So yeah, maybe a 15-20 kw genny then.

it also didn't say if he bought a new or used genny.
Actually, he might have bought this one. 13 kw Powerhorse has about a 12 gal tank and if run maxxed out might only last 6 hours between fills.
Price is in line at $1800.

https://www.northerntool.com/shop/to...4786_200664786
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He could have bought a new Honda 2200i for less and it would run nearly twice as long on just one gallon of gas.
or 1000 W of solar, 10 batteries, 2 good charge controllers multiple inverters and a $100 harbor freight 800 watt 2 cycle generator.

I like to prepare with redundancies.
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He could have bought a new Honda 2200i for less and it would run nearly twice as long on just one gallon of gas.
Honda 2200i is NOT going to run an entire restaurant.
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Does anybody have a theory on how long it will likely be until the next preemptive outage / how many per year?

May be a huge issue for California. Haven't seen anything in the press about that.
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