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Picture of my 1st one. Still have it...er..., I mean, I sold it - along with all of my other firearms.


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To late, they already know. When/if they do come just welcome them in and do a show and tell for them.....................muzzle end first.
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FWIW - There's no firearm registration requirements in my state, and face-to-face sales are legal.

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Does anyone know where I can get the olive drab hand guard? I like the hand gurard that came on my ar with the 20" barrel but I want a olive drab one. I saw a pic of one in the guns and ammo mag that had a olive drab hand guard (factory looking) and pistol grip and stock and loved it.
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Does anyone know where I can get the olive drab hand guard? I like the hand gurard that came on my ar with the 20" barrel but I want a olive drab one. I saw a pic of one in the guns and ammo mag that had a olive drab hand guard (factory looking) and pistol grip and stock and loved it.
I use this company a lot, great service http://http://www.pkfirearms.com/content/1/20/17/37
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Not a big fan of the M4, more of the 18in barreled variety but those are nice NCD.
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Rifle: 16 2/3" barrel, A.R.M.S. mount, Hensoldt Fero Z24 (Illuminated with .223 bullet drop compensator)

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My DPMS 11.5 barrell 5.5" flash suppesor with Eotech 511


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What's the purpose of a 11,5" barrel and a 5,5" flash hider (except getting a legal length barrel)?

If there are restrictions or one tries to avoid a SBR tax stamp, better go with a full length barrel with regular flash hider.
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Not a big fan of the M4, more of the 18in barreled variety but those are nice NCD.
Totally hear you. It's all a matter of preference. I was at a carbine operators class this weekend and played around with a buddies SBR and as fun as it was, and as useful as it could be doing clearance, I wasn't that fond of it. Outside of CQ I feel that you are really handicapping the already limited ballistic capabilities of the .223/5.56 round by using a barrel that small.

But everyone is different and YMMV.

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I've been eye'n the CTR stocks lately, next build may just get one......or two.
How much better are they over the standard 6 position in all actuality besides looking really cool?
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Totally hear you. It's all a matter of preference. I was at a carbine operators class this weekend and played around with a buddies SBR and as fun as it was, and as useful as it could be doing clearance, I wasn't that fond of it. Outside of CQ I feel that you are really handicapping the already limited ballistic capabilities of the .223/5.56 round by using a barrel that small.

But everyone is different and YMMV.

Thanks by the way.

A short barrel is not limiting the 556 at all. You just have a limited or better said, a different application area (CQ). And that you have to keep in mind.

The .223 is one of the most underrated rounds...
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How much better are they over the standard 6 position in all actuality besides looking really cool?
They don't move. That locking mechanism works. I have a VLTOR modstock on a different rifle and I like that one also, but it still moves around like your basic 4 or 6 position stocks do. I hold a tighter check weld with the CTR simply because it has no room to rattle around and move.
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They don't move. That locking mechanism works. I have a VLTOR modstock on a different rifle and I like that one also, but it still moves around like your basic 4 or 6 position stocks do. I hold a tighter check weld with the CTR simply because it has no room to rattle around and move.

Thanks, I've not had a chance to feel one out yet so I thought I would ask.
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A short barrel is not limiting the 556 at all. You just have a limited or better said, a different application area (CQ). And that you have to keep in mind.

The .223 is one of the most underrated rounds...
Sure, in a CQ situation you are right. Outside of 100m it is limited. You lose the initial velocity needed to fragment the round upon impact. 5.56rds fragment at around 2700fps and through a barrel 14.5" and shorter you don't get that velocity outside of 100m. Fragmentation is key to causing tissue damage and wound profiles that become fatal to your target.

http://web.archive.org/web/200211241...com/#fragrange

SBR's have there place and are fun and cool looking, but they are limited. I'm not knocking them, they have their place, but they are limited in that beyond 100m you are limiting that round.

I'm not knocking the .223/5.56 either. In a pinch it's what I'd grab to put my life on because I am more familiar, and comfortable, with the AR platform and that round.
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Sure, in a CQ situation you are right. Outside of 100m it is limited. You lose the initial velocity needed to fragment the round upon impact. 5.56rds fragment at around 2700fps and through a barrel 14.5" and shorter you don't get that velocity outside of 100m.

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SBR's have there place and are fun and cool looking, but they are limited. So I'm not knocking them, they have there place, but they are limited in that beyond 100m you are limiting that round.

I'm not knocking the .223/5.56 either. In a pinch it's what I'd grab to put my life on because I am more familiar, and comfortable, with the AR platform and that round.
A side note, my late daughter had a DPMS 10.5" with a 5.5 flash hider on it. I build this gun for her first knowing she was going to learn the basics and not make sniper shots in any way. Anything past 50 or so yards was tough to keep a "perfect" group to a paper plate target using standard win Q3131a. Even I had problems with it floating around, maybe it was me as I am not perfect but my longer barrels make the mark every time. This pic is from 02

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Sure, in a CQ situation you are right. Outside of 100m it is limited. You lose the initial velocity needed to fragment the round upon impact. 5.56rds fragment at around 2700fps and through a barrel 14.5" and shorter you don't get that velocity outside of 100m. Fragmentation is key to causing tissue damage and wound profiles that become fatal to your target.

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With a 8,5" barrel, effective range (2700 fps/fragmentation) is even decreased to ~ 25 yards.

But hey, that I call CQ.

For other distances: other rifle/caliber.

We do not need to discuss how much sense a SBR makes for a regular citizen.

Why only LE should be allowed to carry the cool stuff?
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With a 8,5" barrel, effective range (2700 fps/fragmentation) is even decreased to ~ 25 yards.

But hey, that I call CQ.

For other distances: other rifle/caliber.

We do not need to discuss how much sense a SBR makes for a regular citizen.

Why only LE should be allowed to carry the cool stuff?
They shouldn't. I got no problems with you owning anything that you can afford to buy.
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A side note, my late daughter had a DPMS 10.5" with a 5.5 flash hider on it. I build this gun for her first knowing she was going to learn the basics and not make sniper shots in any way. Anything past 50 or so yards was tough to keep a "perfect" group to a paper plate target using standard win Q3131a. Even I had problems with it floating around, maybe it was me as I am not perfect but my longer barrels make the mark every time. This pic is from 02

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FWIW - Very sorry to hear of your Daughter. My condolenses.

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