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Old 02-22-2019, 07:21 AM
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Bought it 4 years ago, supposed to be the "super flush" model that wouldn't clog.

Well, it hasn't really clogged, but it sure ain't flushing any more. I just had to flush with a bucket of water.

I saw replacement inside parts for the tank on Amazon. Would it help to swap out (with a plumber) the inside parts? Will that make for a better flush or is it just a piece of crap? Pun intended.
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Well, it hasn't really clogged, but it sure ain't flushing any more. I just had to flush with a bucket of water.
"Ain't flushing" really doesn't tell us what is happening.

Is the tank filling but using the handle doesn't let it flow into the bowl?
Is the tank on the back not filling to the right level?
Is there not enough water entering the bowl, or is it not draining out fast enough to carry the wastes?

If it's the first one your handle may not be raising the flapper enough. They can slip out of place.

If it's the latter, it is in fact "clogged" somewhere in the line.

Changing parts won't help a clogged drain.

Try to be more specific in describing exactly what happens when you move the handle.
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Well, when I flush I hold it down for 20 seconds or so. The water goes in the bowl and very slowly chugs out, without taking the item in the bowl. It is generally one sizable item.

I can't believe I'm talking about this. He makes different deposits, and they do fine.

What I have had to resort to is getting a 3 gallon bucket full of water and using that to flush the toilet, that went down just fine, made a nice "glug" as he calls it, and then I filled the bowl back up with the rest of the water in the bucket. So I don't think it is a clog, but I'm not a plumber. Liquid waste goes fine, his byproducts go fine, it's just the ah, deposits I make.

He mocks me over this and says mean things about my products. This is one reason why we bought this toilet, the old one was constantly backing up, even for him.

This one doesn't back up but it is worse than usual.
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Well, when I flush I hold it down for 20 seconds or so. The water goes in the bowl and very slowly chugs out, without taking the item in the bowl. It is generally one sizable item.

I can't believe I'm talking about this. He makes different deposits, and they do fine.

What I have had to resort to is getting a 3 gallon bucket full of water and using that to flush the toilet, that went down just fine, made a nice "glug" as he calls it, and then I filled the bowl back up with the rest of the water in the bucket. So I don't think it is a clog, but I'm not a plumber. Liquid waste goes fine, his byproducts go fine, it's just the ah, deposits I make.

He mocks me over this and says mean things about my products. This is one reason why we bought this toilet, the old one was constantly backing up, even for him.

This one doesn't back up but it is worse than usual.

He could have it exactly figured out and you just refuse to accept it.



My x-wife had the same issue as she got bigger and bigger and bigger. Even managed to break the little plastic bumpers that hold the seat up off the bowl a few times...

I (being a 'normal' size person) have never had any issues and have most certainly never broke a toilet seat.
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I don't think she means she's leaving more bodily waste. I think she means tampons or pads.
Unless I mis-read what "products" means?
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No, bigger waste. His is very different from mine, but according to research both are normal.

I would never flush a female product. Worst I did on that front was empty a cup. Every drain works well, we had a clog about 5 years ago and had to get a drain line cleanout. I know what that looks like . All drains work fine it's just the solid won't go down for me.

I figure whatever is motivating the water push into the toilet is decaying and not working as well. Didn't used to have problems (and I weigh the same as when we got the toilet).

At least the water bucket works. It sure worked when I did that.
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If you have to hold the handle down to get it to flush it is most likely out of adjustment. That along with a low tank level could definitely cause the problem. There should be a maximum fill level line in the tank and when you flush the flapper should stay up until the water empties from the tank without having to hold the lever.
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How about looking on youtube for toilet won't flush...just saying.
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Maybe keep a stick next to the toilet to break the baby ruth up before flushing it, you might have to beat the crap out of it

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Go to Lowes because I know that's where you bought it. Go to the plumbing section. Hopefully someone is working who isn't new. Tell them what the problem is. They will show you which parts you need to get to replace. You can almost certainly replace the parts yourself.

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Home Depot actually. We are both disabled and apparently special tools are needed to replace the inside parts. He did a good job changing the gasket but I think we will need to call a plumber for this. And I am OK with that because I would rather have a professional do it.

I just mainly wanted to hear if it was probable I'd have to replace the inside tank parts, it sounds like the answer is yes. Hopefully that will "fix" it and hopefully they will continue to make the parts so I can replace it when it goes out AGAIN.
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If its like most toilets, you don't need special tools. Just channel locks. I'd check to see if the tank is full before you flush. If it isn't add water to it. Then flush, if it works then you need to raise the float level. You can check youtube for videos on toilet valve replacement maybe $10-15 in parts needed.
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Kinda sounds like the float is having issues. Pull the tank lid and see if the water level is still filling to the level of the water mark left from the last four years. I'm betting not.
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I'll look.

In the meantime, flushed it again with another bucket of water, it worked great. My husband commented he could hear it "glug" up in the front of the house. I told him what I'd been doing with the bucket to flush, he loved it and told me to keep doing it.

So I guess I will, but I will have him open it and take a look inside.

The reviews for the replacement tank parts specifically said they needed a very large wrench to connect one part.
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How is he going to look inside?

You can easily do this yourself. When you pour additional water into the bowl from a bucket, you are simulating the same thing as having more water in the tank. The water level in the tank right now doesn't give you enough water. If you add more water to the tank with your bucket do it. If it successfully flushes then you know the water level you need. It could be a very simple adjustment.

Channel lock wrenches do open up very wide. The fittings are plastic and the tank is ceramic so not a lot of force is needed to loosen or tighten things. Things can crack, some plumbers just tighten them by hand.

Remember the sound of old toilets Baaaaah Whoooooooosh. They used around 6 gallons of water per flush, now its down to 1.6 gallons. Bah whoosh
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When the government mandated "low flow" toilets they created a lot of problems. Toilet designers had to go back to the drawing room in order to build versions that worked with less than half the water they used to.

Instead of pouring that bucket of water into the bowl, pour it into the tank up to the overflow pipe and see if that helps. Also see if the water normally comes up to the fill line.



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Lastly, there could be a hidden clog that only partially obstructs the inner trap in the toilet. Try plunging it. The water shouldn't just "glug", it should rush out.
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Home Depot actually. We are both disabled and apparently special tools are needed to replace the inside parts. He did a good job changing the gasket but I think we will need to call a plumber for this. And I am OK with that because I would rather have a professional do it.

I just mainly wanted to hear if it was probable I'd have to replace the inside tank parts, it sounds like the answer is yes. Hopefully that will "fix" it and hopefully they will continue to make the parts so I can replace it when it goes out AGAIN.
It's possible nothing needs to be replaced.

It may simply need to be adjusted to allow the maximum amount of water to fill the tank.

There should be no need to hold the handle if everything is set correctly.
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Never buy water savers! They really don't save water when you have to flush twice.

All replacement parts are junk.
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Tank water level should be about 5/8" below the fill tube. That will give you a full flush.
Could be your new toilet is an environmentally friendly low flow 1.3 gallon unit.
You could just be overloading the toilet with waste and paper.

Here's a good plumbing forum https://terrylove.com/forums/index.php
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