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Anyone heard of this Russian cartridge before? So the Russians had 300 Blackout before we did lol. I came across this article and thought i would share it.


http://www.firearmsnews.com/ammo/wol...olf-cartridge/


Will be interesting to see how this does over here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9%C3%9739mm

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...otd-9x39mm-us/
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Technically, if you load a 7.62x39 sub-sonic it is the same as a .300 BO so, I guess you could say the Russians have had it since about 1943. Now, the 9mm version may be just another version of a "round wheel".

Although, a 250 grain .35 caliber might give an edge over a .30 caliber with a 180 grain bullet. So, I would consider the 9x39 an improvement in the sub-sonic range.

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Anyone heard of this Russian cartridge before? So the Russians had 300 Blackout before we did lol. I came across this article and thought i would share it.


http://www.firearmsnews.com/ammo/wol...olf-cartridge/


Will be interesting to see how this does over here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9%C3%9739mm

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...otd-9x39mm-us/
Ive seen it used it and shot a rifle chambered in it. Its designes to engage armored tsrgets to 400m from the vintorez.
Its a specialist ammo and not comon.
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For sub-sonic use, it's better than .300 BLK.

I know Wolf is supposed to be bringing some in some time this year, but I haven't seen any yet. Maybe we'll get some 9x39 AK pistols this year to go with it.
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For sub-sonic use, it's better than .300 BLK.

I know Wolf is supposed to be bringing some in some time this year, but I haven't seen any yet. Maybe we'll get some 9x39 AK pistols this year to go with it.
Wolf is going to have some AR15 uppers for sale at some point.
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I wouldn't mind having one but, finding 250 grain .356 diameter (jacketed) bullets for hand loading would not be easy.

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I wouldn't mind having one but, finding 250 grain .356 diameter (jacketed) bullets for hand loading would not be easy.

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Thats because they were made for a few like 3 or 4 rifles that are deployed in limited numbers. Evwn i russia
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Scaled down 9x53?
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To make it even harder russian 9mm bullets are .362.

The 38 S&W AKA as the 38-200 bullets by the Brits are .361 diameter 200 gr. I wonder if they would be usable.

Another possibility are the 9.3 mm rifle bullets. They can be had in 250 grain but are .366 diameter. They may have to be resized to work.
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im pretty sure this cartridge is NOT compatible with 7.62x39 mags.. too fat of a bullet and there is less taper, so even if you could get ammo, chamber a rifle in it, good luck getting mags
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STRICTLY from the standpoint of heavy bullet subsonic suppressed, the case is too large. A better rimless choice would be the .357 SIG, with a longer throat to match the bullet. Either way it looks like a custom job from start to finish.
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im pretty sure this cartridge is NOT compatible with 7.62x39 mags.. too fat of a bullet and there is less taper, so even if you could get ammo, chamber a rifle in it, good luck getting mags

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...otd-9x39mm-us/

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great.. now you can have a round that fits a magazine that fits a rifle that doesnt fire the round
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great.. now you can have a round that fits a magazine that fits a rifle that doesnt fire the round
Complete uppers are coming from Wolf.
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fantastic.. because of all the wolf ammo ive used, i couldnt help but stop and think "gee, i wish i could have a rifle made as ****ty as this ammunition"
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Ive seen it used it and shot a rifle chambered in it. Its designes to engage armored tsrgets to 400m from the vintorez.
Its a specialist ammo and not comon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9%C3%9739mm

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A subsonic 9mm 250 grain bullet?

This seems quite fanciful to me..... As in BS.

What would the retained velocity be at 500 yards? Sounds like cold war Russian hype.

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A subsonic 9mm 250 grain bullet?

This seems quite fanciful to me..... As in BS.

What would the retained velocity be at 500 yards? Sounds like cold war Russian hype.

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being barely heavier than a 220-grain .308" bullet, but much wider i would imagine the ballistic coefficient would be much lower, meaning the retained velocity would be much lower and a 220 grain .308 is only going to be good out to about 200 before the drop is so severe... yeah, 400-yards is bull****

i think their manual of arms also says the AKM is a 1000 meter weapon
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being barely heavier than a 220-grain .308" bullet, but much wider i would imagine the ballistic coefficient would be much lower, meaning the retained velocity would be much lower and a 220 grain .308 is only going to be good out to about 200 before the drop is so severe... yeah, 400-yards is bull****

i think their manual of arms also says the AKM is a 1000 meter weapon
Not sure bout manual for akm. But the 74 is just like the m4. 500m point target even tho its sights go to 1km
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i did find one source that listed the 9x39mm projectile at a .299 G5 ballistic coefficient, different from a G7 or G1 and wiki suggests a muzzle velocity of 920fps.. so using this in a G5 ballistics calculator with a zero of 100 yards

470ft/lbs at the muzzle
440ft/lbs at 100 yards
414ft/lbs at 200 yards, drop of 42.3 inches
389ft/lbs at 300 yards, drop of 131.29 inches
366ft/lbs at 400 yards, drop of 269.82 inches

its G1 equivalent by these numbers would be somewhere around a .410-.420, and a sierra matchking 220 grain .308" has a ballistic coefficient of .629

heres my source mentioning the 9x39 ballistics coefficient
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...alibers-026-1/

bottom line is, this does NOT outperform .300 BO, with a higher ballistic coefficient, and being loaded even to only 1,000fps with a 220 grain bullet it has more muzzle energy than 9x39mm
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yes, russians had the concept of sub-sonic supressed AK well before 300 BO was developed... only real difference was that 9x39 was not developed to go supersonic at all... 300 bo is a bit more well rounded in that respect.

the AS Val came out in the late 80s and was integrally suppressed and chambered for that round...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS_Val

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9%C3%9739mm
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