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You get to decide on next US military sidearm. What would you pick and why? Don't have to stay with NATO standard ammunition. Does have to be a current commercial production sidearm.
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Glock 17
HK VP9
M&P 9

Run them all through endurance tests/pick the cheapest one/whatever. One of those 3, whichever "won", would be what I think would work very well (best?).
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FN Five seveN w/ standard 20 rd mags.

High capacity, high power, low recoil, ultra reliable feeding, armor piercing ammo available (to military buyers).

Only downside is it's not manufactured in the USA. But that could be a condition of the agreement...
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HS2000 (Springfield XD on the US market) service model in .357 Sig with the extended basepad 15 round magazines. No manual safety.

I don't consider .357 Sig to be a substantial improvement over 9mm NATO, but it is a step up. Should improve soldier confidence in the sidearm.
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I'd say a sig 226 tacops 9mm. 20 round of NATO 9mm capacity, mag well, night sights, NO SAFETY only a firing pin block, all metal design, the single action trigger on the 226s are some I not the nicest trigger pull and reset around, what isn't to love although I hear the new M9A3 is gonna be sweet too!
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I would say an m&p in 40 if i had to guess

http://www.generaldynamics.com/news/...eID_1811=19617
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I'd say a sig 226 tacops 9mm. 20 round of NATO 9mm capacity, mag well, night sights, NO SAFETY only a firing pin block, all metal design, the single action trigger on the 226s are some I not the nicest trigger pull and reset around, what isn't to love although I hear the new M9A3 is gonna be sweet too!
Isn't the "de-cocker" considered the safety?

I like the gun a lot, but the grip is big. Perhaps too big for too many people's hands.

My choices would be...
1. Glock 17
2. Sig Tacops p226 9mm
3. 1911 style either 9mm or .45acp...these would be prohibitively expensive.
4. Beretta m9a4 (steel frame)
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FN Five seveN w/ standard 20 rd mags.

High capacity, high power, low recoil, ultra reliable feeding, armor piercing ammo available (to military buyers).

Only downside is it's not manufactured in the USA. But that could be a condition of the agreement...
my FN57 frame says "FNH USA Fredricksburg, VA" on the side of it. the slide does say "FN Herstal Belgium" on it as well... different components could be produced in different places. the problem with 57 ammo is price.

on the topic of the OP, if i had to decide what the service sidearm would be, i would probably just go with a FNX9 mainly because it is fully ambidextrous... costs basically the same as a glock 17 gen4, has the same capacity, a nicer trigger, and it is already setup for a decocker/saftey, comes with interchangeable backstraps for best hand fit, has a short trigger reset, and its DA/SA so training changes coming off of the m9 won't be significant, and has a nice big trigger guard for use with gloves. Additionally, FN generally has higher sights already installed on many of their pistol variants for effective use with supressors.
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Glock 20sf or Gen4

Cooper designed 10mm - 15+1


Enough of this 9mm nonsense. If our people are going to war, give them a sidearm that can actually do some significant damage.

Standard Armed Forces bling package:
  • Threaded barrel
  • Raised night sights with rear flat section for racking
  • Multicam frame (area most visible while in holster)
  • American flag custom rear slide cover plate - full color
  • In a nice brown cardboard box because we all know how useful the standard cases are

Give them 180-200 grain ammo with some speed.
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1911 in 45 ACP
good enough for when i carry at home, good enough for when i carry overseas. Plus the M45 is perfered by special forces for a reason. A 230gn traveling at 930 fps is sub- sonic and better used when suppressed.
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I'd say a sig 226 tacops 9mm. 20 round of NATO 9mm capacity, mag well, night sights, NO SAFETY only a firing pin block, all metal design, the single action trigger on the 226s are some I not the nicest trigger pull and reset around, what isn't to love although I hear the new M9A3 is gonna be sweet too!
The Army has passed on the Beretta M9A3 according to yesterday's "The Firearm Blog".
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...proposed-m9a3/
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Glock 20sf or Gen4

Cooper designed 10mm - 15+1


Enough of this 9mm nonsense. If our people are going to war, give them a sidearm that can actually do some significant damage.

Standard Armed Forces bling package:
  • Threaded barrel
  • Raised night sights with rear flat section for racking
  • Multicam frame (area most visible while in holster)
  • American flag custom rear slide cover plate - full color

Give them 180-200 grain ammo with some speed.
while i do have a G20 on my kit and 5 loaded mags with hornady 180 grain xtp, i dont know that it is a great option for a service pistol, it does have a huge frame, plus if you thought 1.6 billion rounds of 40 for DHS was expensive wait until you see how much that same number of 10mm costs
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When other country's talk about us I want them to think of 6 ft BA cowboys again so my vote goes to s&w 500 lol
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while i do have a G20 on my kit and 5 loaded mags with hornady 180 grain xtp, i dont know that it is a great option for a service pistol, it does have a huge frame, plus if you thought 1.6 billion rounds of 40 for DHS was expensive wait until you see how much that same number of 10mm costs
Perhaps the only reason it would be chosen is cuz it would be astronomically expensive.

(But them 10mm ammo prices would drop through the floor.


It's the same size as a Glock 21...same profile as the Glock 17, just fatter. I think it could work.

Plus...how big and bulky is the Beretta? (And all that for 9mm)
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M1911A1....maybe polished/ramped for JHP,night sights,remove that stupid grip safety...thats it
Drive a tent stake,wheel around and drop a few bad guys then hammer in some cooking sticks...
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Make: Colt
Model: 1911
Caliber: .38 Super acp +P
Capacity: 11 rds

The .38acp +P can be adapted to be used in Sub-Machine guns.
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I think the best way to decide what gun on top of the usual durability/reliability testing should be lightly trained shooters performance. Take some new recruits(no previous handgun training or shooting period) who would be issued a side arm divide them into separate test groups give them the minimum training and then put them a situation similar to what they might face in combat. No standing on a static line with plenty of time to take your shot. Make it easy enough where there will be hits though. No 15yards and moving. Choose the easiest gun for the level of training.


I'd like to say the US made and designed M&P, but I don't think it's the best option. I don't shoot mine well. It's a great gun at the gun store counter but seems laking at the range.


HK VP9 or FN FNS would be better options. They've got good factory texture on the grips and are very ergonomic.

Whatever gun I'd want the removable back straps feature removed and just go with the small or medium sized. Less parts to lose or keep track of.

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FN fiveseven. Its the closest we can get to a Blade Runner gun.
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Ether an FNX .45 an HK 45 or the five-seven

Personally I think the 57 is the best option when you aren't worried about paying for your own ammo.
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