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I can't help but wonder why you would be faced with any of those situations. Do you frequent areas that muggings occur? Are you a usual target for smart-asses to cut their teeth on?

My suggestion: avoid those places. If it happens at bars/taverns, then don't go to them. And don't look like an easy target. You're a big guy - you can look like one with a little self confidence (but not arrogance).
WTF!?

Some people have no concept of reality.
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WTF!?

Some people have no concept of reality.
All of my comments are grounded in reality. I live a safe life, and people don't "mess" with me. What kind of reality do YOU live in, that requires a daily use of hand to hand combat skills and deterring muggers?
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First off ... You didn't hear this from me .. LOL Use these tactics at your own risk .. Not my responcibility.

Ive been in skirmishes for many years for many years and have broken up quite a damn few ..


Size does matter but intent is everything . Use your head in a fight and try not to fight but if you have too .. Assume everything you ever saw on TV , Including MMA is just plain wrong ... Training does not help and style goes right out the window when your matched up with a real opponet ...

The best advice I can offer .. sucker them into wrestiling, You can disable an attacker with a finger through the eye socket.. The thumb is suited well for this ..

Grab hold of the lower lip and pull straight down .,. ( Try this at home ) Youll see that not a lot of presure will tear half your mouth off .

I don't recomend strikes because they require skill to execute but there are couple of tricks with grabs that work extreamly well. These are two of many examples .. Instant damage that a doctor can't repair .

Keep in mind that blood letting tactics like this are not to be used on the next door neighbor but if you want to learn how to fight , Watch what inmates with nothing to lose do ..

Try it , Grab the top of your lower lip .. and just tug straight down .. It's an awful bloody mess ...
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Average middle aged man here. I haven't traded licks with anyone since junior high. I don't look too bad off ( 6ft, 190) but my aerobics are pathetic and I don't do much exercise. Running off isn't much of an option. Ideally if I got into a confrontation I'd like to know a few techniques to either defend myself well enough they go away or get in a cheap but effective shot that would put them down and let me walk away. Of course I am making the assumption it is more or less a one on one situation like a mugging or dealing with a smart ass feeling his oats.

HELP! Not asking for leaping ninja stuff just maybe enough not to take a beating and offer enough deterrent to dampen ardor and hopefully walk away.
Ignore everything else and learn boxing, basic chokes and the three most basic hip throws.

If you want to learn simple... That is the simple.

Just being able to throw a strait right and a left hook is 90% of what you will ever use.
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Why are you even thinking about fighting off a mugger who's already got a knife or a gun drawn on you? Just give him what he wants. If he wanted to kill you, he would have already done it.

And dealing with smart asses, what for? If you don't want to put the time and effort into training to fight, you'll probably get your ass kicked. Bruce Lee trained like a madman just about everyday in his prime... on ways to end fights fast....by eyepoking, throat striking, nut kicking, etc.. He was in superb physical condition and fast as hell too....yet he couldn't even beat some nobody, Kung-Fu guy/waiter named, Wong Jackman (who also claimed that he won). And I'm certainly not going to believe Linda Lee's story about this fight....especially when Bruce saw what a failure his deadly, ladies anti-rape techniques were that he ended up renouncing Wing Chung to cross-train other styles, creating JKD.

Even if you do manage to rip someone's eyes out....what did he do to you? Got in your face? Mean talk? Maybe pushed you? Now you're going to jail and getting sued for maiming someone.

There's no shortcut. The biggest pitfall of these Self Defense places is that they rarely address the high possibility that you're going to get hit in the face hard and repeatedly should your anti-rape techniques fails, which is highly likely. How would you know if you can really take a punch or more...will you fight back or shut down, petrified? First time someone punched me in the face in 8th grade, I froze and walked away. 2nd time, another guy a few months later....I froze again and also didn't do anything. 2 black eyes. I just couldn't believe they punched me. Now, it's just fun to punch people out (in the gym).
Best martial artist I ever met handed the mugger his wallet.

He didn't see that the guy had a second partner with a second gun. If he had taken the guy down... Mugger #2 would have easily shot him in the back of the head... And like I said...he didn't even see the second guy till they were running off with his wallet.
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Assume everything you ever saw on TV , Including MMA is just plain wrong ... Training does not help and style goes right out the window when your matched up with a real opponet ...
You make way too many blanket exaggerations. It's true that many times, training does go out the window and replaced by wild swinging for the fences.

Someone training in doing BS forms and crap will usually end up swinging wildly the moment they find out their forms training w/o actual sparring for KO's is crap. While someone who includes actual full sparring for knockouts (regularly) in their training, will naturally continue to fight the way that they were trained due to muscle memory taking over while their brain seeing that it's working, won't interfere by panicking and going crazy. The more experience with fighting they have, the less they will likely to go crazy with wild swinging.

There is no shortcuts. If you want to be able to defend yourself, it includes taking full punches & kicks to the face while dishing it back....as being part of your training.

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The best advice I can offer .. sucker them into wrestiling, You can disable an attacker with a finger through the eye socket.. The thumb is suited well for this ..
Going into a clinch or to the ground is one of the last thing you'd want in a streetfight. While grappling, both parties have the ability to eye gouge & bite. I'm trained & experienced on the ground and would probably have the upper hand by getting the takedown & maintaining dominant position. But I still wouldn't want to risk someone else blindsiding me from behind with a soccer kick to my head while I'm committed to being on the ground.

I would only go to the ground if I'm clearly getting the snot beaten out of me standing up by someone much better.
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Old 08-05-2012, 04:19 PM
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Right on PSYOP Soldier... Take a Krav Maga class. I feel that I learned more in 1 year of Krav Maga then I did in 8 years of traditional Martial Arts. You can learn the basics very quickly (3-6 months)...If you are on a tight budget, get a couple of Krav Maga books, and watch some videos. That being said, you might look into a local JUDO club. Now Judo is for sport, but you do learn a lot of moves that can help in Self Defense. I also bring up Judo because most do not have you sign long contracts, it is pretty inexpensive and many of the people I have meet are local LE folks that were more then willing to show me other Self Defense moves. Good luck.
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Gax...

Where did you take Karv here in NC?
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I think we talked about this before :-) I started in South Florida and then took it here in the Charlotte/Matthews area. A few workshops as well. The last workshop I took was with Sam Sade.
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Best martial artist I ever met handed the mugger his wallet.

He didn't see that the guy had a second partner with a second gun. If he had taken the guy down... Mugger #2 would have easily shot him in the back of the head... And like I said...he didn't even see the second guy till they were running off with his wallet.
There is a youtube video like that (fictional) But does make a good point. Wish I could find it.
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Like many on this thread, I will suggest getting some formal training at a good school. Videos and books only go so far, when you are faced with a threat you will react to the highest level of training you are proficient at. Practicing in your home, even against a bag, is very different from looking another person in the eyes that you know is going to attack you. A good school will expose you to a controlled level of aggression from another person, whether that is in sparring or self-defense situations.

The best advice is to not get into places where you need to defend yourself. Stay in groups, don't park your car far out in a parking lot away from the building, keep your head up and looking around when you walk somewhere. Criminals will attack those that send off "victim" signals before they ever attack someone that does not project "victim".

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All of my comments are grounded in reality. I live a safe life, and people don't "mess" with me. What kind of reality do YOU live in, that requires a daily use of hand to hand combat skills and deterring muggers?
Good for you. Good luck with that.
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Ignore everything else and learn boxing, basic chokes and the three most basic hip throws.

If you want to learn simple... That is the simple.

Just being able to throw a strait right and a left hook is 90% of what you will ever use.
Add one more thing....Precision Striking. Practice hitting for the chin from all four punches, jab, cross, hook and uppercut. When people punch they aim for anywhere on the head instead of the chin itself. Hitting the chin will get you a knockout most of the time and you don't risk breaking the hand on the back or top of the head. You will be surprised how many people miss a target the size of a tennis ball when they are throwing punches.
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First off ... You didn't hear this from me .. LOL Use these tactics at your own risk .. Not my responcibility.

Ive been in skirmishes for many years for many years and have broken up quite a damn few ..


Size does matter but intent is everything . Use your head in a fight and try not to fight but if you have too .. Assume everything you ever saw on TV , Including MMA is just plain wrong ... Training does not help and style goes right out the window when your matched up with a real opponet ...

The best advice I can offer .. sucker them into wrestiling, You can disable an attacker with a finger through the eye socket.. The thumb is suited well for this ..

Grab hold of the lower lip and pull straight down .,. ( Try this at home ) Youll see that not a lot of presure will tear half your mouth off .

I don't recomend strikes because they require skill to execute but there are couple of tricks with grabs that work extreamly well. These are two of many examples .. Instant damage that a doctor can't repair .

Keep in mind that blood letting tactics like this are not to be used on the next door neighbor but if you want to learn how to fight , Watch what inmates with nothing to lose do ..

Try it , Grab the top of your lower lip .. and just tug straight down .. It's an awful bloody mess ...
What you just described to do is called Mayhem in California (Penal Codes 203 &205 ) and could get you life in prison if not justifiable. To do such acts your life has to be in jeopardy which in that case a knife would be a better option.
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What you just described to do is called Mayhem in California (Penal Codes 203 &205 ) and could get you life in prison if not justifiable. To do such acts your life has to be in jeopardy which in that case a knife would be a better option.
So stabbing someone is considered less vicious than ripping his lower lip off? Very interesting. Also, I bet just showing a legal knife can result in the confrontation ending w/o any fight. Some states allow a knife of any length to be carried, just as long as it's a manual, folding knife....no switchblades nor assist mechanisms.

Reminds me of Zimmerman shooting Trevon. Even in a state such as Florida, which has a Castle Doctrine. Which may or may not extend to outside of your home or business I'm not sure. I heard it extends to your car though. True?

But Zimmerman's life is screwed up now. He feared that a Black kid was going to kill him in unarmed combat. So he shoots the kid before actually engaging in any combat. Seems like the law and public outcries from Civil Rights groups, requires that you suffer a beating, leaving noticeable marks first...before you are able to shoot someone and claim self defense. But if you endure the beating and get KO'ed, you can die if they keep stomping your skull into the cement. No chance to shoot anyone then.

Maybe if it were an old lady shooting, it would be ok....but young, chubby Whiteguy, no dice. And Zimm had some questionable actions...ie., disobeying the 911 operator's order to not follow Trevon and just wait for the cops.
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Add one more thing....Precision Striking. Practice hitting for the chin from all four punches, jab, cross, hook and uppercut. When people punch they aim for anywhere on the head instead of the chin itself. Hitting the chin will get you a knockout most of the time and you don't risk breaking the hand on the back or top of the head. You will be surprised how many people miss a target the size of a tennis ball when they are throwing punches.
Damn good point.

We train with one inch squares of duct tape on the heavy bag. It was one of the most valuable training tips I ever got.
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dont overcomplicate it. throwing a hook if you dont REALLY KNOW how to throw a hook will just bust you hand up.

hit the guy- you can us the palm of your hand if you want, its safer- and repeat. dont stop until he runs away or sags to the ground.

kick/knee him in the balls to keep him guessing.

The worst thing you can do is dance around with him like you are in ring or something. thats the misatke an MMA guy or a boxer would naturally make. Charge the guy and attack attack attack until you win. Aggression wins fights more often than skill.
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The worst thing you can do is dance around with him like you are in ring or something. thats the misatke an MMA guy or a boxer would naturally make. Charge the guy and attack attack attack until you win. Aggression wins fights more often than skill.
This is complete BS.

Noobs who spars for the first time, goes crazy like this very often....throwing a crapload of wild swings, one after the other when they get frustrated. I can easily see and time their punches and crack them in the face through the opening. Once my jab lands, it stops all that BS because now I've disrupted their crazy streetfighting nonsense....but I usually crack them with a couple of hard follow ups to get them to chill or else nap time.

If you knew how to fight, you'd know that the reason why there's dancing around in the ring or cage is because you can't just go crazy against an equally trained opponent. Both trained fighters are looking for openings, mistakes, etc. Once they land something significant, yes, they will go in for the kill. And sometimes, they even end up losing due to blowing all of their energy going for the KO in such barrage of constant punches.

You think this guy doesn't know hand speed and how to constantly attack?


Notice that I selected an Average Joe boxer (non-pro) and not some big name Pro just to show that even at the amateur level, there's a huge difference between trained vs. clueless streetfighters going crazy.
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To put it simply, look at all the things that are banned in MMA. Do that. Eyes, biting, nails, hair pulling, fishhooking, etc
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